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		<title>By: Historicus</title>
		<link>http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2006/11/07/handley-responds-to-evans/comment-page-1/#comment-297731</link>
		<dc:creator>Historicus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 16:20:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is this the famous Nine Reigns booklet? I don&#039;t have a copy with me, so can&#039;t verify. Maybe someone else can?</description>
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		<title>By: Republican</title>
		<link>http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2006/11/07/handley-responds-to-evans/comment-page-1/#comment-297578</link>
		<dc:creator>Republican</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 14:28:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For an alternative Thai history of Bhumibol&#039;s reign and the dynasty he belongs to which is even more critical than Handley&#039;s TKNS see:

http://chakridynasty.googlepages.com 

The document is dated 1982 and the writer gives as his penname, &quot;Raktham Rakthai&quot;. It&#039;s a leftist-inspired popular history of the Chakri dynasty.

See expecially the chapter on the present king, &quot;คนบาปในคราบนักบุญ&quot;. The image we gain of Bhumibol from this account is of a ruthless, bloodsoaked, avaricious and duplicitous autocrat who has lied and deceived the Thai people for the duration of his reign for the sole purpose of preserving the throne: &quot;กษัตริย์ภูมิพลจอมวางแผน&quot;

Among the more interesting aspects of the account:  it was Bhumibol who murdered his brother, King Rama 8; he refused to commute the execution sentences for the two royal pages and the royal secretary whom he framed for the murder;  he ordered the police to attack the students at the 14 October 1973 protests in order to make it appear that it had been ordered by the &quot;3 Tyrants&quot; with whom the king was in conflict; he perverted the Buddhist religion to attack his enemies; and he was responsible for the infamous massacre of students at Thammasat University on 6 October 1976: &quot;ทุกครั้งที่มีการเอ่ยถึงเหตุการณ์มหาวิปโยคในวันที่ ๖ ตุลาคม ยากยิ่งที่ชาวไทยจะไม่หวนระลึกถึงกษัตริย์ภูมิพลและราชินีสิริกิตติ์คนบาปในคราบนักบุญ ผู้บงการและอยู่เบื้องหลังการตายอันน่าขนพองสยองเกล้าของเหล่านักศึกษาผู้บริสุทธิ์&quot;

There is much more of interest.

Now of course, the factuality of this account remains to be proved - but this is no different from the royalist propaganda that is produced about the king on a daily basis. The point is that even if the facts were proven, because of the lese majeste law it would be impossible in Thailand to publicly state them.

What this document shows is the existence of an alternative view of the king and the royal family held by Thais, but which is hidden because of the the royalist program of indoctrination, censorship and propaganda that intensified from the time of the Prem era.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For an alternative Thai history of Bhumibol&#8217;s reign and the dynasty he belongs to which is even more critical than Handley&#8217;s TKNS see:</p>
<p><a href="http://chakridynasty.googlepages.com" rel="nofollow">http://chakridynasty.googlepages.com</a> </p>
<p>The document is dated 1982 and the writer gives as his penname, &#8220;Raktham Rakthai&#8221;. It&#8217;s a leftist-inspired popular history of the Chakri dynasty.</p>
<p>See expecially the chapter on the present king, &#8220;คนบาปในคราบนักบุญ&#8221;. The image we gain of Bhumibol from this account is of a ruthless, bloodsoaked, avaricious and duplicitous autocrat who has lied and deceived the Thai people for the duration of his reign for the sole purpose of preserving the throne: &#8220;กษัตริย์ภูมิพลจอมวางแผน&#8221;</p>
<p>Among the more interesting aspects of the account:  it was Bhumibol who murdered his brother, King Rama 8; he refused to commute the execution sentences for the two royal pages and the royal secretary whom he framed for the murder;  he ordered the police to attack the students at the 14 October 1973 protests in order to make it appear that it had been ordered by the &#8220;3 Tyrants&#8221; with whom the king was in conflict; he perverted the Buddhist religion to attack his enemies; and he was responsible for the infamous massacre of students at Thammasat University on 6 October 1976: &#8220;ทุกครั้งที่มีการเอ่ยถึงเหตุการณ์มหาวิปโยคในวันที่ ๖ ตุลาคม ยากยิ่งที่ชาวไทยจะไม่หวนระลึกถึงกษัตริย์ภูมิพลและราชินีสิริกิตติ์คนบาปในคราบนักบุญ ผู้บงการและอยู่เบื้องหลังการตายอันน่าขนพองสยองเกล้าของเหล่านักศึกษาผู้บริสุทธิ์&#8221;</p>
<p>There is much more of interest.</p>
<p>Now of course, the factuality of this account remains to be proved &#8211; but this is no different from the royalist propaganda that is produced about the king on a daily basis. The point is that even if the facts were proven, because of the lese majeste law it would be impossible in Thailand to publicly state them.</p>
<p>What this document shows is the existence of an alternative view of the king and the royal family held by Thais, but which is hidden because of the the royalist program of indoctrination, censorship and propaganda that intensified from the time of the Prem era.</p>
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		<title>By: polo</title>
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		<dc:creator>polo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 02:53:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Republican: Re “…Even with his elegant, charming third wife…”   

Maybe Evans had already seen the video . heh heh heh</description>
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<p>Maybe Evans had already seen the video . heh heh heh</p>
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		<title>By: Republican</title>
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		<dc:creator>Republican</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 16:50:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember reading this review and being surprised at the hostile reception Evans gave to what is the first critical biography of the king in 60 years.

After everything that has happened since September 2006 when the review came out - the very month of the coup - not to mention everything that has been published and discussed on blogs and elsewhere since then, I&#039;m surprised again that Evans &quot;stands by&quot; what he wrote.

I agree with the last paragraph of Handley&#039;s response. Basically Evans&#039; review is a perfect reproduction of classic Thai royalist discourse.

But one of the things that made me smile was this remark in relation to the Crown Prince&#039;s current partner: 

&quot;...Even with his elegant, charming third wife...&quot;  

Many of the &quot;Thai people&quot; that the anthropologists are supposed to &quot;understand&quot; might disagree with him on this one.

What is it about anthropologists of Thailand (both Thai and non-Thai) which makes them so conservative and lacking in critical distance when talking about monarchy?

(I could make the same point for when the anthropologists talk about Buddhism, but will keep that for another post).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember reading this review and being surprised at the hostile reception Evans gave to what is the first critical biography of the king in 60 years.</p>
<p>After everything that has happened since September 2006 when the review came out &#8211; the very month of the coup &#8211; not to mention everything that has been published and discussed on blogs and elsewhere since then, I&#8217;m surprised again that Evans &#8220;stands by&#8221; what he wrote.</p>
<p>I agree with the last paragraph of Handley&#8217;s response. Basically Evans&#8217; review is a perfect reproduction of classic Thai royalist discourse.</p>
<p>But one of the things that made me smile was this remark in relation to the Crown Prince&#8217;s current partner: </p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;Even with his elegant, charming third wife&#8230;&#8221;  </p>
<p>Many of the &#8220;Thai people&#8221; that the anthropologists are supposed to &#8220;understand&#8221; might disagree with him on this one.</p>
<p>What is it about anthropologists of Thailand (both Thai and non-Thai) which makes them so conservative and lacking in critical distance when talking about monarchy?</p>
<p>(I could make the same point for when the anthropologists talk about Buddhism, but will keep that for another post).</p>
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		<title>By: Grant Evans</title>
		<link>http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2006/11/07/handley-responds-to-evans/comment-page-1/#comment-294746</link>
		<dc:creator>Grant Evans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 01:44:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://rspas.anu.edu.au/rmap/newmandala/2006/11/07/handley-responds-to-evans/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Handley&#039;s response&lt;/a&gt; to &lt;a href=&quot;http://rspas.anu.edu.au/rmap/newmandala/2006/09/10/a-royal-grant/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;my review &lt;/a&gt;has already been run on New Mandala (Nov. 7, 2006). I am quite happy for it to be run again, but I suggest it would be fair to run my review again too. Needless to say, I stand by the review.

Anthropologists from the very beginning of the discipline have spent a great deal of time trying to understand the nature of kingship. The latest contribution is The Character of Kingship edited by Declan Quiqley (2005). I recommend it to anyone who is interested.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://rspas.anu.edu.au/rmap/newmandala/2006/11/07/handley-responds-to-evans/" rel="nofollow">Handley&#8217;s response</a> to <a href="http://rspas.anu.edu.au/rmap/newmandala/2006/09/10/a-royal-grant/" rel="nofollow">my review </a>has already been run on New Mandala (Nov. 7, 2006). I am quite happy for it to be run again, but I suggest it would be fair to run my review again too. Needless to say, I stand by the review.</p>
<p>Anthropologists from the very beginning of the discipline have spent a great deal of time trying to understand the nature of kingship. The latest contribution is The Character of Kingship edited by Declan Quiqley (2005). I recommend it to anyone who is interested.</p>
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		<title>By: Louis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Louis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 05:29:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Handley&#039;s book is spot on the money in several places. Let&#039;s face it, there are a lot of Thai apologists out there. If you would believe that many people are saying the royal family is loved by all Thais,but the truth on the ground is quite different. I compare the love they are expected to express much akin to the public love expressed to the &quot;Englightened and Most Loved&quot; leader of North Korea. People do it because the law requires them to and because they have been indoctrinated in it.

If it seems farfecthed, realized Bhumiphol has been in power longer than the father/son duo in North Korea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Handley&#8217;s book is spot on the money in several places. Let&#8217;s face it, there are a lot of Thai apologists out there. If you would believe that many people are saying the royal family is loved by all Thais,but the truth on the ground is quite different. I compare the love they are expected to express much akin to the public love expressed to the &#8220;Englightened and Most Loved&#8221; leader of North Korea. People do it because the law requires them to and because they have been indoctrinated in it.</p>
<p>If it seems farfecthed, realized Bhumiphol has been in power longer than the father/son duo in North Korea.</p>
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		<title>By: New Mandala &#187; Siam Rumoured: The Thongchai Lecture in London</title>
		<link>http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2006/11/07/handley-responds-to-evans/comment-page-1/#comment-12805</link>
		<dc:creator>New Mandala &#187; Siam Rumoured: The Thongchai Lecture in London</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Dec 2006 23:23:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] In Thongchai’s historical overview, Series 3 describes the power relations among what he rather playfully called “M/P3”. This is the series that focuses on the interactions between “Politicians (elected)/Money; People/Mass; Palace/Monarchists, Monarchy”. He sees this series, which begins in 1973, as heralding “the revival of the monarchy”. Speaking of the bloody events of October 1976, Thongchai argued that nobody mentions that “the King’s intervention is part of the massacre”. This is all part of Series 3. In this scheme, “Royalists now talk democracy” and have, very cunningly, created an “upper floor of politics”. This is a “second floor [that] provides the moral authority”. On this point, and as a digression, Thongchai briefly noted that Paul Handley’s widely debated book, The King Never Smiles, is, in his view, “not academic but worth listening to”. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Curious</title>
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		<dc:creator>Curious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Nov 2006 01:25:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, calling the title &quot;supercillious&quot; is a misreading. I think most Thais with long memories know the significance of the phrase. The unspeakable. I&#039;m sure Handley does too; it has nothing to do with bodhisattvas. Again, the hold of Thai royalist discourse over Western academics is remarkable. Why are they so eager to defend the monarchy? And anthropologists of all people. They need to understand that monarchs do not equal &quot;culture&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, calling the title &#8220;supercillious&#8221; is a misreading. I think most Thais with long memories know the significance of the phrase. The unspeakable. I&#8217;m sure Handley does too; it has nothing to do with bodhisattvas. Again, the hold of Thai royalist discourse over Western academics is remarkable. Why are they so eager to defend the monarchy? And anthropologists of all people. They need to understand that monarchs do not equal &#8220;culture&#8221;.</p>
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