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	<title>Comments on: Burma boycott &#8211; some questions about &#8220;avoided tourism&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Eugene Lyttle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eugene Lyttle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 12:41:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unless you can go to Burma independently, avoid Junta owned and liscenced hotel, avoid liscenced tour guides then don&#039;t go.
Don&#039;t say your money helps poor Burmeese people, it doesn&#039;t.
You give the junta 100 dollars and a Burmeese gets 50cents if he&#039;s lucky and tomorrow his family will be slaved to bild a nice road for you and a nice hotel.
The boycott is not working because people like you thinks it&#039;s no good.
Keep out of Burma, give the Junta nothing and maybe when he is hungry, he will go away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unless you can go to Burma independently, avoid Junta owned and liscenced hotel, avoid liscenced tour guides then don&#8217;t go.<br />
Don&#8217;t say your money helps poor Burmeese people, it doesn&#8217;t.<br />
You give the junta 100 dollars and a Burmeese gets 50cents if he&#8217;s lucky and tomorrow his family will be slaved to bild a nice road for you and a nice hotel.<br />
The boycott is not working because people like you thinks it&#8217;s no good.<br />
Keep out of Burma, give the Junta nothing and maybe when he is hungry, he will go away.</p>
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		<title>By: Yashodhara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yashodhara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 08:11:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an Indian woman contemplating travel to Burma via Thailand where I live, I find this discussion about Travel Boycott amusing and your point on deterring (or not) Asian tourists to Burma relevant.

Burma is an integral part of the Asian and ASEAN fabric - a support of as well as deterrent of the military junta comes from within this faqbric.  Tony Blair boycotting Burma is about as relevant as Dalai Lama boycotting travel to USA (another military regime).  

Fact remains that for Asians, Burma is part of our lives (my Grandfather died fighting in the British Army against the Japanese and his body never found and so I must go).  Travel is organic in that it does percolate down to microeconomies run by ordinary people. Why boycott, when one does not have solutions? It is like boycotting a party where there are drugs in the upper bedroom but the rest of the house is rocking fun and it would be great to go!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an Indian woman contemplating travel to Burma via Thailand where I live, I find this discussion about Travel Boycott amusing and your point on deterring (or not) Asian tourists to Burma relevant.</p>
<p>Burma is an integral part of the Asian and ASEAN fabric &#8211; a support of as well as deterrent of the military junta comes from within this faqbric.  Tony Blair boycotting Burma is about as relevant as Dalai Lama boycotting travel to USA (another military regime).  </p>
<p>Fact remains that for Asians, Burma is part of our lives (my Grandfather died fighting in the British Army against the Japanese and his body never found and so I must go).  Travel is organic in that it does percolate down to microeconomies run by ordinary people. Why boycott, when one does not have solutions? It is like boycotting a party where there are drugs in the upper bedroom but the rest of the house is rocking fun and it would be great to go!</p>
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		<title>By: New Mandala &#187; &#8220;&#8230;put on a happy face. The face of Myanmar&#8221;</title>
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		<dc:creator>New Mandala &#187; &#8220;&#8230;put on a happy face. The face of Myanmar&#8221;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Apr 2007 12:43:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Amateur</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amateur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 21:53:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, I just have come across this post now - almost two months after the last post, but I find it very interesting and with respect to the controversial debate I believe that with Burma we have a good example where universalists and particularists clash.
Alone the fact that we have two Burma campaigning organisation with different approaches (antagonising?) is something very particular to the Burma issue.
Nich, have you sent some comments to BCUK yet? Have you found any worthy contibutions in the comments posted here? I actually plan to write to BCUK, but the email is still a draft. While I am not sure about the alertness of the travellers going to Burma (I even doubt it), I firmly don&#039;t believe that a general boycott will change the minds of the junta let alone bring them to their knees. To often we forget that national pride plays a vital role (as we see in the Iran case) and that there is China who is the biggest supplier of the regime.
The more we all point our fingers to the junta, the more it will turn to China, whose records with regards to democracy is not much better. In this moment I fail to come with a adequate metaphor, but punishment is not always the best approach as to educate. It is maybe not by chance that the US is one of the countries with the biggest grows in prison construction (I don&#039;t need to mention the still existing capital punishment there).

To cut it short, as my lecturer in Burmese once said, &quot;the clock goes a bit different in Myanmar&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, I just have come across this post now &#8211; almost two months after the last post, but I find it very interesting and with respect to the controversial debate I believe that with Burma we have a good example where universalists and particularists clash.<br />
Alone the fact that we have two Burma campaigning organisation with different approaches (antagonising?) is something very particular to the Burma issue.<br />
Nich, have you sent some comments to BCUK yet? Have you found any worthy contibutions in the comments posted here? I actually plan to write to BCUK, but the email is still a draft. While I am not sure about the alertness of the travellers going to Burma (I even doubt it), I firmly don&#8217;t believe that a general boycott will change the minds of the junta let alone bring them to their knees. To often we forget that national pride plays a vital role (as we see in the Iran case) and that there is China who is the biggest supplier of the regime.<br />
The more we all point our fingers to the junta, the more it will turn to China, whose records with regards to democracy is not much better. In this moment I fail to come with a adequate metaphor, but punishment is not always the best approach as to educate. It is maybe not by chance that the US is one of the countries with the biggest grows in prison construction (I don&#8217;t need to mention the still existing capital punishment there).</p>
<p>To cut it short, as my lecturer in Burmese once said, &#8220;the clock goes a bit different in Myanmar&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: charlie</title>
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		<dc:creator>charlie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jan 2007 17:58:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,

I am heading to burma soon and did some googling to find info about basic travel advice as well as sites such as yours detailing the moral dilemma about whether or not I will be benefitting a dictatorial regime. 

Ideally, I would not like the regime to be benefitted. However, it is clear that they will benefit, at least economically in the short term, from my visit. I suppose for me it has come down to trying to choose an approach which will, on balance, result in an overall benefit (however miniscule my individual contribution will be) for the ordinary people of Burma.

I hope that, as a photographer who generally focusses on community-based issues, that I will be able to begin a project which highlights both the positive characteristics of the people and their country as well as their plight. I also intend, to the extent that I can reasonably determine their legitimacy, to spend my tourist dollars with non-government businesses which are not benefitting indirectly from any forced relocations of original inhabitants from the region.

But how am I reasonably expected to determine this last point regarding issues of forced relocation? I will do my best to research as much as is reasonably possible.

Overall,  there is, for me, a point where i must rely on an inner voice which, based on my knowledge and personal values, tells me my intentions are &#039;good&#039; (the definition of which is going to be different for all individuals).

regards,
charlie, melbourne, australia

ps. i found the exchange between aiontay and tim interesting but was dismayed to find Andrew Walker come in over the top and unilaterally decide to block any further messages from tim without any concrete reasons. Iit is not for you, andrew,  to decide what readers&#039; interpretations of a message may be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>I am heading to burma soon and did some googling to find info about basic travel advice as well as sites such as yours detailing the moral dilemma about whether or not I will be benefitting a dictatorial regime. </p>
<p>Ideally, I would not like the regime to be benefitted. However, it is clear that they will benefit, at least economically in the short term, from my visit. I suppose for me it has come down to trying to choose an approach which will, on balance, result in an overall benefit (however miniscule my individual contribution will be) for the ordinary people of Burma.</p>
<p>I hope that, as a photographer who generally focusses on community-based issues, that I will be able to begin a project which highlights both the positive characteristics of the people and their country as well as their plight. I also intend, to the extent that I can reasonably determine their legitimacy, to spend my tourist dollars with non-government businesses which are not benefitting indirectly from any forced relocations of original inhabitants from the region.</p>
<p>But how am I reasonably expected to determine this last point regarding issues of forced relocation? I will do my best to research as much as is reasonably possible.</p>
<p>Overall,  there is, for me, a point where i must rely on an inner voice which, based on my knowledge and personal values, tells me my intentions are &#8216;good&#8217; (the definition of which is going to be different for all individuals).</p>
<p>regards,<br />
charlie, melbourne, australia</p>
<p>ps. i found the exchange between aiontay and tim interesting but was dismayed to find Andrew Walker come in over the top and unilaterally decide to block any further messages from tim without any concrete reasons. Iit is not for you, andrew,  to decide what readers&#8217; interpretations of a message may be.</p>
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		<title>By: Cherie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cherie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Dec 2006 06:26:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi again, I&#039;d like to clarify something:

Typo in this line:

Whilst we donâ€™t completely discourage the boycott (at least to the extent the BCUK does) we do ponder how can the boycott be effective, if we completely dismiss the largest percentage of tourists to visit Burma each year?

I meant &#039;encourage&#039; rather than &#039;discourage&#039;&#039; the boycott.  I&#039;d hate to be accused of implying the BCUK &#039;discourages&#039; the boycott!!  That couldn&#039;t be any further from the truth!!

Cherie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi again, I&#8217;d like to clarify something:</p>
<p>Typo in this line:</p>
<p>Whilst we donâ€™t completely discourage the boycott (at least to the extent the BCUK does) we do ponder how can the boycott be effective, if we completely dismiss the largest percentage of tourists to visit Burma each year?</p>
<p>I meant &#8216;encourage&#8217; rather than &#8216;discourage&#8221; the boycott.  I&#8217;d hate to be accused of implying the BCUK &#8216;discourages&#8217; the boycott!!  That couldn&#8217;t be any further from the truth!!</p>
<p>Cherie</p>
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		<title>By: Cherie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cherie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Dec 2006 06:22:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nicholas

I read your article on Burma Gateway and here with great interest.  

In reference to your challenge:  &quot;However, it would be great if somebody took on this challenge.&quot;, I&#039;d like to bring your attention to Voices for Burma, whom Tara has already referred to.

Having been in existence for nearly 4 years, we at VFB try to quantify the impact of travel on Burma.  We ask ourselves, Burmese, other travellers, academics, politicians, etc these questions every day.

The boycott isn&#039;t black and white.  It has many, many layers and shades of gray.  I think it is great you are asking those questions - as we need to.  We ought not to blindly accept the boycott, or should we accept blindly mass-tourism.  Although I don&#039;t think many people are suggesting the latter in any case.

Voices for Burma&#039;s stance is that responsible, independent tourists should consider visiting Burma if and only if they want to make a positive impact to the people of Burma.  If a tourist takes that position, our organisation attempts to provide them with adequate information to make informed choices whilst travelling inside Burma.

A question you didn&#039;t ask is &quot;what is the impact of the western-led boycott when Burma&#039;s SE-Asian neighbours have no boycott, and account to nearly half of Burma&#039;s tourism through their package tourism?&quot;  Yes, you did allude to this when you asked why we don&#039;t encourage boycott inside Asia.  

I&#039;ve been in this game for over two years, and whilst we at VFB ask this question a lot to ourselves and others, we certainly don&#039;t read that question in articles very often.  So it was very refreshing to read your question.  Whilst we don&#039;t completely discourage the boycott (at least to the extent the BCUK does) we do ponder how can the boycott be effective, if we completely dismiss the largest percentage of tourists to visit Burma each year?  Ironically, Voices for Burma also doesn&#039;t engage in this space.  We&#039;d like to, but we dont have the resources.

We&#039;d be interested in taking your questions further.  However, we also need extra resources in order to do so.  If anyone reads this and is interested in researching for us in order to answer some more of Nicholas&#039;s great questions -please contact us!

Best regards
Cherie
co-Director Voices for Burma
Melbourne, Australia</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nicholas</p>
<p>I read your article on Burma Gateway and here with great interest.  </p>
<p>In reference to your challenge:  &#8220;However, it would be great if somebody took on this challenge.&#8221;, I&#8217;d like to bring your attention to Voices for Burma, whom Tara has already referred to.</p>
<p>Having been in existence for nearly 4 years, we at VFB try to quantify the impact of travel on Burma.  We ask ourselves, Burmese, other travellers, academics, politicians, etc these questions every day.</p>
<p>The boycott isn&#8217;t black and white.  It has many, many layers and shades of gray.  I think it is great you are asking those questions &#8211; as we need to.  We ought not to blindly accept the boycott, or should we accept blindly mass-tourism.  Although I don&#8217;t think many people are suggesting the latter in any case.</p>
<p>Voices for Burma&#8217;s stance is that responsible, independent tourists should consider visiting Burma if and only if they want to make a positive impact to the people of Burma.  If a tourist takes that position, our organisation attempts to provide them with adequate information to make informed choices whilst travelling inside Burma.</p>
<p>A question you didn&#8217;t ask is &#8220;what is the impact of the western-led boycott when Burma&#8217;s SE-Asian neighbours have no boycott, and account to nearly half of Burma&#8217;s tourism through their package tourism?&#8221;  Yes, you did allude to this when you asked why we don&#8217;t encourage boycott inside Asia.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been in this game for over two years, and whilst we at VFB ask this question a lot to ourselves and others, we certainly don&#8217;t read that question in articles very often.  So it was very refreshing to read your question.  Whilst we don&#8217;t completely discourage the boycott (at least to the extent the BCUK does) we do ponder how can the boycott be effective, if we completely dismiss the largest percentage of tourists to visit Burma each year?  Ironically, Voices for Burma also doesn&#8217;t engage in this space.  We&#8217;d like to, but we dont have the resources.</p>
<p>We&#8217;d be interested in taking your questions further.  However, we also need extra resources in order to do so.  If anyone reads this and is interested in researching for us in order to answer some more of Nicholas&#8217;s great questions -please contact us!</p>
<p>Best regards<br />
Cherie<br />
co-Director Voices for Burma<br />
Melbourne, Australia</p>
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		<title>By: Jamie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jamie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 12:42:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whhooaah,

Well an interesting thought from some one looking at the issue of tourism seems to have been sidelined by a confused rant against DASSK and anything else that is vaugely associated with Burma. I have a few simple points to consider.

1. We can be critical without being aggressive and exclusive in our language and style. 

2. If you cant even spell DASSK (Aungsan Suchi ) it undermines others confidence that you know what you are talking about.

3. I&#039;d be interested to see what &quot;social revisionist policies are more extreme than the recent Thaksin govt and onbviously aimed at social control&quot; are advocated by DASSK? 

4. I apprecite the interest and involvement of anyone interested in human rights and freedom. I&#039;d like to encourage people with constructive debate and welcome discussion on those terms. 

Best Wishes

Jamie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whhooaah,</p>
<p>Well an interesting thought from some one looking at the issue of tourism seems to have been sidelined by a confused rant against DASSK and anything else that is vaugely associated with Burma. I have a few simple points to consider.</p>
<p>1. We can be critical without being aggressive and exclusive in our language and style. </p>
<p>2. If you cant even spell DASSK (Aungsan Suchi ) it undermines others confidence that you know what you are talking about.</p>
<p>3. I&#8217;d be interested to see what &#8220;social revisionist policies are more extreme than the recent Thaksin govt and onbviously aimed at social control&#8221; are advocated by DASSK? </p>
<p>4. I apprecite the interest and involvement of anyone interested in human rights and freedom. I&#8217;d like to encourage people with constructive debate and welcome discussion on those terms. </p>
<p>Best Wishes</p>
<p>Jamie</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Walker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Nov 2006 23:19:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim, or whoever you are, I have let that last comment through just to show readers what nonsense you are capable of. Now that readers are clear on that, there will be no need for me to let through similar rants. Go back to your books.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim, or whoever you are, I have let that last comment through just to show readers what nonsense you are capable of. Now that readers are clear on that, there will be no need for me to let through similar rants. Go back to your books.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Nov 2006 22:56:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aiontay, I do apologise for putting you in a position where you were unable to contribute anything intelligent  to this thread, effectivelly leaving you to reduce discussion about Burma to being about you, perhaps a default position of yours when someone has different views to your own?  It certainly highlights the point I mde about middle-class appropriation of other&#039;s experince.  The relevance of your family and self and their mixed class composition and ethnicity to the discussion is lost on me and particulalry uninteresting to be honest. This would be the case even if you were from Kachin or the Shan States, were Red Wa or a Tibeto-Burman speaking indigene of the hills of northern Burma and made the same ludicrous claims.  Basically ethnicity and in particular your is not what we are talking about. 

Now While I am sure you believe that you have experienced paternalism (western paternalism) in ways or quantities that no one else could understand you weren&#039;t being told about it here (again it wasn&#039;t about you) I was describing a process as being paternalistic, which even if you have in your most special of native existences a virtual monopoloy on it, wouldn&#039;t detract from the fact that the discussion regarding tourism in Burma is paternalistic (and not about you).  So do you have anything else to contribute outside fo your auto-biographical details and anti intellectualism?

Tara for the record the accusation was a class traitor who was a pig-ignorant narcissistic and conceited native...thanks for adding condescension to the paternalism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aiontay, I do apologise for putting you in a position where you were unable to contribute anything intelligent  to this thread, effectivelly leaving you to reduce discussion about Burma to being about you, perhaps a default position of yours when someone has different views to your own?  It certainly highlights the point I mde about middle-class appropriation of other&#8217;s experince.  The relevance of your family and self and their mixed class composition and ethnicity to the discussion is lost on me and particulalry uninteresting to be honest. This would be the case even if you were from Kachin or the Shan States, were Red Wa or a Tibeto-Burman speaking indigene of the hills of northern Burma and made the same ludicrous claims.  Basically ethnicity and in particular your is not what we are talking about. </p>
<p>Now While I am sure you believe that you have experienced paternalism (western paternalism) in ways or quantities that no one else could understand you weren&#8217;t being told about it here (again it wasn&#8217;t about you) I was describing a process as being paternalistic, which even if you have in your most special of native existences a virtual monopoloy on it, wouldn&#8217;t detract from the fact that the discussion regarding tourism in Burma is paternalistic (and not about you).  So do you have anything else to contribute outside fo your auto-biographical details and anti intellectualism?</p>
<p>Tara for the record the accusation was a class traitor who was a pig-ignorant narcissistic and conceited native&#8230;thanks for adding condescension to the paternalism.</p>
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