Comments on: And the border war continues… http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2006/12/14/and-the-border-war-continues/ New perspectives on mainland Southeast Asia Mon, 23 Nov 2009 15:28:26 +1100 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: aiontay http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2006/12/14/and-the-border-war-continues/comment-page-1/#comment-12510 aiontay Wed, 13 Dec 2006 22:05:49 +0000 http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2006/12/14/and-the-border-war-continues/#comment-12510 Sometime in the late 1980s or early 1990s I also remember hearing of the Thais allowing the Burmese military to cross the Thai border to attack a Karen position at 3 Pagodas Pass. On the other hand, I heard of Karens being allowed to do the same futher north. I think it all sort of depended on how business was going. Sometime in the late 1980s or early 1990s I also remember hearing of the Thais allowing the Burmese military to cross the Thai border to attack a Karen position at 3 Pagodas Pass. On the other hand, I heard of Karens being allowed to do the same futher north. I think it all sort of depended on how business was going.

]]> By: Johpa http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2006/12/14/and-the-border-war-continues/comment-page-1/#comment-12500 Johpa Wed, 13 Dec 2006 20:41:41 +0000 http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2006/12/14/and-the-border-war-continues/#comment-12500 Spill over can occur in both directions. Back in 1983 I sat atop a hill north of Fang, in Amphoe Thaton, and watched Thai planes bomb lord knows what across the border due north of a rather notorious Lisu village within Thai territory. Supposedlly, I read in FEER many months later, they were bombing some outpost of Khun Sa, although Khun Sa's equally notorious partner (also notorious for selling anthropologist E.C. a load of BS.......you grad students need to be wary of hanging out with the village headman) at said Lisu village, stayed happily in business for many more years. Later there was the dog and pony show at Doi Lang back in the late 1980s, also in Amphoe Fang, which methinks was orchestrated solely for the benefit of the US State Department. Despite the rather orchestrated nature of the conflict which allowed Khun Sa to move further westwards to his newer headquarters, the Royal Thai Air Force somehow found a way to lose two small planes, pilot error perhaps. The worst spill over occured to the small KMT villages west of Fang where many people had never been provided Thai citizenship and alledged abuses of those villagers by Thai soldiers, mostly abuse of women, were whispered about at the time. In the early 1990s, over west towards Mae Sot and Mae Hong Song, the Thais (Chalawit) allowed his business partners, the Burmese, to move their military forces through Thai territory, a clear violation of soverignty, and attack Karen refugee bases inside Thailand from the east. I believe Lintner wrote about this in FEER at the time. Nicholas gives links above to more recent spillage around Mae Sai. Spill over can occur in both directions. Back in 1983 I sat atop a hill north of Fang, in Amphoe Thaton, and watched Thai planes bomb lord knows what across the border due north of a rather notorious Lisu village within Thai territory. Supposedlly, I read in FEER many months later, they were bombing some outpost of Khun Sa, although Khun Sa’s equally notorious partner (also notorious for selling anthropologist E.C. a load of BS…….you grad students need to be wary of hanging out with the village headman) at said Lisu village, stayed happily in business for many more years.

Later there was the dog and pony show at Doi Lang back in the late 1980s, also in Amphoe Fang, which methinks was orchestrated solely for the benefit of the US State Department. Despite the rather orchestrated nature of the conflict which allowed Khun Sa to move further westwards to his newer headquarters, the Royal Thai Air Force somehow found a way to lose two small planes, pilot error perhaps. The worst spill over occured to the small KMT villages west of Fang where many people had never been provided Thai citizenship and alledged abuses of those villagers by Thai soldiers, mostly abuse of women, were whispered about at the time.

In the early 1990s, over west towards Mae Sot and Mae Hong Song, the Thais (Chalawit) allowed his business partners, the Burmese, to move their military forces through Thai territory, a clear violation of soverignty, and attack Karen refugee bases inside Thailand from the east. I believe Lintner wrote about this in FEER at the time.

Nicholas gives links above to more recent spillage around Mae Sai.

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