Comments on: Backdown on the bombings http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2007/01/04/backdown-on-the-bombings/ New perspectives on mainland Southeast Asia Mon, 23 Nov 2009 15:28:26 +1100 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: anon http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2007/01/04/backdown-on-the-bombings/comment-page-1/#comment-20868 anon Sun, 14 Jan 2007 19:12:48 +0000 http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2007/01/04/backdown-on-the-bombings/#comment-20868 There are tons of "plausible" theories out there, but none backup up by a shred of evidence. Thus, people who want a greater crackdown in the South are pointing at the Southern insurgents. Those who want a greater crackdown on Thaksin are pointing at Thaksin. Those who are enemies of Saprang are pointing at Saprang. Those who are against the junta are pointing at the ISOC. All of these are plausible... There are tons of “plausible” theories out there, but none backup up by a shred of evidence.

Thus, people who want a greater crackdown in the South are pointing at the Southern insurgents. Those who want a greater crackdown on Thaksin are pointing at Thaksin. Those who are enemies of Saprang are pointing at Saprang. Those who are against the junta are pointing at the ISOC. All of these are plausible…

]]> By: Vichai N http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2007/01/04/backdown-on-the-bombings/comment-page-1/#comment-20707 Vichai N Sun, 14 Jan 2007 03:26:59 +0000 http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2007/01/04/backdown-on-the-bombings/#comment-20707 Am I to presume that I am the only one who read Avudh's Blog at NationWeb Blog? http://www.nationmultimedia.com/webblog/view_blog.php?uid=321&bid=1479 Personally I thought Avudh's blog very intriguing to say the least and his commentary would be about the most plausible theory yet of who the Bangkok NYE bombing culprits are. For those who REALLY did not read Avudh's blog - he was suggesting those Class 10 Generals, Thaksin's generals to be more specific, were responsible. Now you may think Vichai paranoid but you people will have to understand that I DO view Thaksin Shinawatra as a menace to Thailand, in or out of power. Many before gave Thaksin that label 'The Toxin of Thailand'. Would this forum be offended if I suggest 'The NYE Bangkok Bomber' as well? Am I to presume that I am the only one who read Avudh’s Blog at NationWeb Blog?

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/webblog/view_blog.php?uid=321&bid=1479

Personally I thought Avudh’s blog very intriguing to say the least and his commentary would be about the most plausible theory yet of who the Bangkok NYE bombing culprits are.

For those who REALLY did not read Avudh’s blog – he was suggesting those Class 10 Generals, Thaksin’s generals to be more specific, were responsible.

Now you may think Vichai paranoid but you people will have to understand that I DO view Thaksin Shinawatra as a menace to Thailand, in or out of power. Many before gave Thaksin that label ‘The Toxin of Thailand’. Would this forum be offended if I suggest ‘The NYE Bangkok Bomber’ as well?

]]> By: Johpa http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2007/01/04/backdown-on-the-bombings/comment-page-1/#comment-18252 Johpa Fri, 05 Jan 2007 00:31:59 +0000 http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2007/01/04/backdown-on-the-bombings/#comment-18252 I agree with Patiwat that things are getting strange, curiouser and curiosier as Alice would say, relative to the bombings. On first glance it is classic Bangkok based political action with grenades in the garbage cans. But the police are having problems connecting the dots to any one faction, not usually a weakness in the well connected world of the Thai police. And I ask myself, what purpose would the bombings make for the southern separatists if no claims of responsibility are made? So I am left to ponder upon which faction of the old boys network figures to benefit most by the bombings; and no clear winner comes to my mind as all factions come out about equal. I agree with Patiwat that things are getting strange, curiouser and curiosier as Alice would say, relative to the bombings. On first glance it is classic Bangkok based political action with grenades in the garbage cans. But the police are having problems connecting the dots to any one faction, not usually a weakness in the well connected world of the Thai police. And I ask myself, what purpose would the bombings make for the southern separatists if no claims of responsibility are made? So I am left to ponder upon which faction of the old boys network figures to benefit most by the bombings; and no clear winner comes to my mind as all factions come out about equal.

]]> By: nganadeeleg http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2007/01/04/backdown-on-the-bombings/comment-page-1/#comment-18214 nganadeeleg Thu, 04 Jan 2007 21:08:17 +0000 http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2007/01/04/backdown-on-the-bombings/#comment-18214 Muppet Puppet said 'I don’t know where do you stand but, from my point of view, 5 years of Thaksin government’s corruption didn’t match of what the junta is doing in 4 months.' Would you care to enlighten us with a list of corruption under the junta over the last 4 months? Thaksin's misdeeds are well documented, but the only real criticisms of Surayud I can find are: - he is too soft - he may be renting some restricted land - he implied some things about the recent bombings without any apparent evidence to back up those claims (I will concede that loose lips may be one thing he has in common with Thaksin) I am sure the usual lower levels of corruption have continued over the last 4 months, and it seems to me that, if anything, Surayud has been been distracted from the reform process by the continual sniping from Thaksin supporters/puppets, academia & media. Muppet Puppet said ‘I don’t know where do you stand but, from my point of view, 5 years of Thaksin government’s corruption didn’t match of what the junta is doing in 4 months.’

Would you care to enlighten us with a list of corruption under the junta over the last 4 months?

Thaksin’s misdeeds are well documented, but the only real criticisms of Surayud I can find are:
- he is too soft
- he may be renting some restricted land
- he implied some things about the recent bombings without any apparent evidence to back up those claims (I will concede that loose lips may be one thing he has in common with Thaksin)

I am sure the usual lower levels of corruption have continued over the last 4 months, and it seems to me that, if anything, Surayud has been been distracted from the reform process by the continual sniping from Thaksin supporters/puppets, academia & media.

]]> By: Muppet Puppet http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2007/01/04/backdown-on-the-bombings/comment-page-1/#comment-18208 Muppet Puppet Thu, 04 Jan 2007 20:48:28 +0000 http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2007/01/04/backdown-on-the-bombings/#comment-18208 Eh...a coup installed government is generally called a puppet government hence the puppet PM. Why are you having a fuss with the term? The guy is working with/for those generals, not for the people. I don't know where do you stand but, from my point of view, 5 years of Thaksin government's corruption didn't match of what the junta is doing in 4 months. Eh…a coup installed government is generally called a puppet government hence the puppet PM. Why are you having a fuss with the term? The guy is working with/for those generals, not for the people.

I don’t know where do you stand but, from my point of view, 5 years of Thaksin government’s corruption didn’t match of what the junta is doing in 4 months.

]]> By: patiwat http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2007/01/04/backdown-on-the-bombings/comment-page-1/#comment-18190 patiwat Thu, 04 Jan 2007 18:03:35 +0000 http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2007/01/04/backdown-on-the-bombings/#comment-18190 This is getting strange. The junta is <a href="http://nationmultimedia.com/2007/01/05/headlines/headlines_30023343.php" rel="nofollow">admitting that forensic evidence shows that the bomb designs and assembly look very similar to those used in the Southern insurgency</a>. Yet the "intelligence analysis" shows that the Southern insurgents have never hit Bangkok and presumably don't have the capabilities to hit Bangkok. Thus the junta exonerate the insurgents and blame it all on Thaksin, who is closely imitating the insurgents. It's a somewhat bizarre analysis. This is getting strange. The junta is admitting that forensic evidence shows that the bomb designs and assembly look very similar to those used in the Southern insurgency.

Yet the “intelligence analysis” shows that the Southern insurgents have never hit Bangkok and presumably don’t have the capabilities to hit Bangkok. Thus the junta exonerate the insurgents and blame it all on Thaksin, who is closely imitating the insurgents. It’s a somewhat bizarre analysis.

]]> By: nganadeeleg http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2007/01/04/backdown-on-the-bombings/comment-page-1/#comment-18118 nganadeeleg Thu, 04 Jan 2007 12:36:07 +0000 http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2007/01/04/backdown-on-the-bombings/#comment-18118 Q: What is good for the country? A: Most important in my opinion is the eliminination of all forms of corruption, but particularly in the police. Q: Where or what do I put my faith in? A: Education, and an inner sense of what is right. Doing what is right, even if it might be at the expense of personal gain. If the best that 'democracy' can serve up is a Thaksin, then yes, I want another system. Q: What is good for the country?
A: Most important in my opinion is the eliminination of all forms of corruption, but particularly in the police.

Q: Where or what do I put my faith in?
A: Education, and an inner sense of what is right.
Doing what is right, even if it might be at the expense of personal gain.

If the best that ‘democracy’ can serve up is a Thaksin, then yes, I want another system.

]]> By: chris white http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2007/01/04/backdown-on-the-bombings/comment-page-1/#comment-18019 chris white Thu, 04 Jan 2007 06:58:50 +0000 http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2007/01/04/backdown-on-the-bombings/#comment-18019 'Elements of the junta' means exactly what it says. Yes I did run into a fortune telling monk who runs a temple near the Cambodian boarder that gets used as a type of reform school for wayward youth. He did give me some numbers to use in the lottery - but, alas, I didnt buy a ticket. I didnt ask so he didnt give me any insight about the political situation. I'll make sure to ask he next time we meet. ‘Elements of the junta’ means exactly what it says.

Yes I did run into a fortune telling monk who runs a temple near the Cambodian boarder that gets used as a type of reform school for wayward youth. He did give me some numbers to use in the lottery – but, alas, I didnt buy a ticket. I didnt ask so he didnt give me any insight about the political situation. I’ll make sure to ask he next time we meet.

]]> By: Frustrated http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2007/01/04/backdown-on-the-bombings/comment-page-1/#comment-18012 Frustrated Thu, 04 Jan 2007 06:35:10 +0000 http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2007/01/04/backdown-on-the-bombings/#comment-18012 Questions to nganadeeleg, Your words "(or will voters continue to put personal gain ahead of the good of the country?)" What is the good of the country? What is your definition of "what is good for the country"? If the majority of Thai people see or share the same benefit that one political party can deliver to them and they vote for that. Would you classify this as personal gain, personal gain as oppose to your "the good of the country"?. You do not have faith in democracy, the system which allows you to speak out. May I ask, where or what do you put your faith in? Guns and tanks loaded with propagunda? Questions to nganadeeleg,

Your words “(or will voters continue to put personal gain ahead of the good of the country?)” What is the good of the country? What is your definition of “what is good for the country”? If the majority of Thai people see or share the same benefit that one political party can deliver to them and they vote for that. Would you classify this as personal gain, personal gain as oppose to your “the good of the country”?. You do not have faith in democracy, the system which allows you to speak out. May I ask, where or what do you put your faith in? Guns and tanks loaded with propagunda?

]]> By: nganadeeleg http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2007/01/04/backdown-on-the-bombings/comment-page-1/#comment-17994 nganadeeleg Thu, 04 Jan 2007 05:57:28 +0000 http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2007/01/04/backdown-on-the-bombings/#comment-17994 What does 'elements of the junta' mean ? From everything I have read, I have no idea who organised the bombings - that's a big call to say the junta was obviously involved - did you see a fortune teller while you were in the north east? Pro democracy! I'm sorry, but I don't have your blind faith in democracy if all it can do is serve up someone like Thaksin, and allow him to entrench himself in power for the next 20 years. Lets hope the people have learn't something the next time round, so a mess like this can be avoided in future. (or will voters continue to put personal gain ahead of the good of the country?) What does ‘elements of the junta’ mean ?
From everything I have read, I have no idea who organised the bombings – that’s a big call to say the junta was obviously involved – did you see a fortune teller while you were in the north east?

Pro democracy!
I’m sorry, but I don’t have your blind faith in democracy if all it can do is serve up someone like Thaksin, and allow him to entrench himself in power for the next 20 years.
Lets hope the people have learn’t something the next time round, so a mess like this can be avoided in future.
(or will voters continue to put personal gain ahead of the good of the country?)

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