Comments on: “In Thailand we respect the king. Nobody dares to make a copy.” http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2007/05/25/%e2%80%9cin-thailand-we-respect-the-king-nobody-dares-to-make-a-copy%e2%80%9d/ New perspectives on mainland Southeast Asia Mon, 23 Nov 2009 15:28:26 +1100 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: just @ http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2007/05/25/%e2%80%9cin-thailand-we-respect-the-king-nobody-dares-to-make-a-copy%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-107661 just @ Thu, 21 Jun 2007 17:05:21 +0000 http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2007/05/25/%e2%80%9cin-thailand-we-respect-the-king-nobody-dares-to-make-a-copy%e2%80%9d/#comment-107661 comment one please note www.ethaicd.com sell only license King Naresuan VCD and DVD not the fake one -_-" comment one please note

http://www.ethaicd.com

sell only license King Naresuan VCD and DVD not the fake one

-_-”

]]> By: anonymous http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2007/05/25/%e2%80%9cin-thailand-we-respect-the-king-nobody-dares-to-make-a-copy%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-92221 anonymous Sun, 27 May 2007 19:29:06 +0000 http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2007/05/25/%e2%80%9cin-thailand-we-respect-the-king-nobody-dares-to-make-a-copy%e2%80%9d/#comment-92221 This creates an interesting feedback loop: if Thai producers think that pirates wont pirate royalty-related films, they'll make more of them. Soon, all Thai movies will somehow be associated with the palace. Pirates, driven for their love of the monarchy but hurt by their inability to sell any Thai films, will increase piracy of foreign films. The end result: Foreign film-makers get screwed, the monarchy gets free propaganda. This creates an interesting feedback loop: if Thai producers think that pirates wont pirate royalty-related films, they’ll make more of them. Soon, all Thai movies will somehow be associated with the palace. Pirates, driven for their love of the monarchy but hurt by their inability to sell any Thai films, will increase piracy of foreign films.

The end result: Foreign film-makers get screwed, the monarchy gets free propaganda.

]]> By: Jon Fernquest http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2007/05/25/%e2%80%9cin-thailand-we-respect-the-king-nobody-dares-to-make-a-copy%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-91934 Jon Fernquest Sun, 27 May 2007 07:11:41 +0000 http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2007/05/25/%e2%80%9cin-thailand-we-respect-the-king-nobody-dares-to-make-a-copy%e2%80%9d/#comment-91934 "As for now, the illicit market is flourishing. Thailand is among the world’s top-three distributors of pirated films along with China and Russia, according to the Motion Picture Association of Thailand. Although technically illegal, pirated CDs, DVDs and computer software can be found everywhere in Bangkok. Vendors don’t need to hide." It's actually difficult to even tell whether you are watching a fake. If you rent from Tsutaya (Japanese Chain) I would assume you aren't renting a fake. In the provinces there are a lot of shops that compete directly with Tsutaya that have a lot more films that are a little cheaper but quality is often bad, so people avoid them. With pharmaceuticals it could be the same if people realised it. IMHO The main problem about IP rights is that without the pirating (like pharmaceuticals) there would probably be no price negotiation to bring the prices down to affordability. The Tsutaya price is probably relatively the same (as percentage of income) as a Blockbuster price in the US, but I doubt it got to that level without the influence of pirating mediating IP monopoly rights a bit. Overall Thailand would be better without piracy of software and music, I bet. It would force the society to rely more on their own music, films (which they do already, with some wonderful works), and improve open source software for their own needs instead of playing into Microsoft's hands. It does seem that pirating foreign media and software is a lot more acceptable than Thai media and software, but that's probably because there is a realisation that pirating their own stuff is going to have a predatory and negative effect on innovation in Thailand. The observation the author makes that its probably a powerful person in charge of the piracy, I bet is true. Also most of the actual enforcement seems to be against unlucky unpowerful people, basically entrapment, a setup, a scam by the police, whether it is IP or drug enforcement, they have quotas, and they find a plausible victim to sacrifice, then set him up. I once had someone trying to, rather ridiculously, convince me to make mass copies of CDs, presumably because I had computer skills. I just laughed. I am not a criminal, unless critical thought is a crime. “As for now, the illicit market is flourishing. Thailand is among the world’s top-three distributors of pirated films along with China and Russia, according to the Motion Picture Association of Thailand. Although technically illegal, pirated CDs, DVDs and computer software can be found everywhere in Bangkok. Vendors don’t need to hide.”

It’s actually difficult to even tell whether you are watching a fake. If you rent from Tsutaya (Japanese Chain) I would assume you aren’t renting a fake. In the provinces there are a lot of shops that compete directly with Tsutaya that have a lot more films that are a little cheaper but quality is often bad, so people avoid them. With pharmaceuticals it could be the same if people realised it.

IMHO The main problem about IP rights is that without the pirating (like pharmaceuticals) there would probably be no price negotiation to bring the prices down to affordability. The Tsutaya price is probably relatively the same (as percentage of income) as a Blockbuster price in the US, but I doubt it got to that level without the influence of pirating mediating IP monopoly rights a bit.

Overall Thailand would be better without piracy of software and music, I bet. It would force the society to rely more on their own music, films (which they do already, with some wonderful works), and improve open source software for their own needs instead of playing into Microsoft’s hands.

It does seem that pirating foreign media and software is a lot more acceptable than Thai media and software, but that’s probably because there is a realisation that pirating their own stuff is going to have a predatory and negative effect on innovation in Thailand.

The observation the author makes that its probably a powerful person in charge of the piracy, I bet is true. Also most of the actual enforcement seems to be against unlucky unpowerful people, basically entrapment, a setup, a scam by the police, whether it is IP or drug enforcement, they have quotas, and they find a plausible victim to sacrifice, then set him up. I once had someone trying to, rather ridiculously, convince me to make mass copies of CDs, presumably because I had computer skills. I just laughed. I am not a criminal, unless critical thought is a crime.

]]> By: Thai Chat http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2007/05/25/%e2%80%9cin-thailand-we-respect-the-king-nobody-dares-to-make-a-copy%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-91646 Thai Chat Sat, 26 May 2007 13:01:47 +0000 http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2007/05/25/%e2%80%9cin-thailand-we-respect-the-king-nobody-dares-to-make-a-copy%e2%80%9d/#comment-91646 Unfortunately foreign movies are not as much respected in Thailand. Fakes are plenty ! Unfortunately foreign movies are not as much respected in Thailand. Fakes are plenty !

]]> By: Pig Latin http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2007/05/25/%e2%80%9cin-thailand-we-respect-the-king-nobody-dares-to-make-a-copy%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-91261 Pig Latin Fri, 25 May 2007 15:53:28 +0000 http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2007/05/25/%e2%80%9cin-thailand-we-respect-the-king-nobody-dares-to-make-a-copy%e2%80%9d/#comment-91261 It is? That it was spread over 3 VCD's and not a DVD led me to believe that it was a camcorder job! I suppose US$13 is a bit much for a pirated copy. h<b>XX</b>p://cgi.ebay.com/King-Naresuan-Part-1-Thai-Movie_W0QQitemZ320118321454QQihZ011QQcategoryZ617QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem How about these? Even though they are for US$20 the packaging is clearly shifty. The internet: for all your transparent transactions! It is? That it was spread over 3 VCD’s and not a DVD led me to believe that it was a camcorder job! I suppose US$13 is a bit much for a pirated copy.

hXXp://cgi.ebay.com/King-Naresuan-Part-1-Thai-Movie_W0QQitemZ320118321454QQihZ011QQcategoryZ617QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

How about these? Even though they are for US$20 the packaging is clearly shifty.

The internet: for all your transparent transactions!

]]> By: Lleij Samuel Schwartz http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2007/05/25/%e2%80%9cin-thailand-we-respect-the-king-nobody-dares-to-make-a-copy%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-91249 Lleij Samuel Schwartz Fri, 25 May 2007 15:01:47 +0000 http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2007/05/25/%e2%80%9cin-thailand-we-respect-the-king-nobody-dares-to-make-a-copy%e2%80%9d/#comment-91249 Re: Pig> Dear Pig, In the future, please <i>read</i> a post before you comment on it. The article is talking about the <b>black-market</b>, that is, illegally produced copies...not licensed copies sold by a established retailer. No one is saying you can't buy a real DVD of King Naresuan; however it is hard to find a cheap, pirated copy. Sheesh! Re: Pig>

Dear Pig,

In the future, please read a post before you comment on it. The article is talking about the black-market, that is, illegally produced copies…not licensed copies sold by a established retailer. No one is saying you can’t buy a real DVD of King Naresuan; however it is hard to find a cheap, pirated copy.

Sheesh!

]]> By: Pig Latin http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2007/05/25/%e2%80%9cin-thailand-we-respect-the-king-nobody-dares-to-make-a-copy%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-91212 Pig Latin Fri, 25 May 2007 12:04:56 +0000 http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2007/05/25/%e2%80%9cin-thailand-we-respect-the-king-nobody-dares-to-make-a-copy%e2%80%9d/#comment-91212 Maybe the people who run this site are self-hating Thais? Or maybe this site has been blocked in Thailand??? Ambiguity prevails! http://www.ethaicd.com/showreview_product.php?pid=31104 Maybe the people who run this site are self-hating Thais? Or maybe this site has been blocked in Thailand??? Ambiguity prevails!

http://www.ethaicd.com/showreview_product.php?pid=31104

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