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	<title>Comments on: Thongchai&#8217;s update on the Thai Studies conference</title>
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		<title>By: Nicholas Farrelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicholas Farrelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 09:09:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Numbers 4 and 13:

For the information of interested New Mandala readers, today I received the following reply from the conference organisers:

&quot;Dear Mr.Farrelly,

The conference is open to the public. Anybody who wishes to participate in the conference must register. The preliminary program and registration information will be available on website soon.

Yours sincerely,
ICTS10 organizer&quot;

Best wishes to all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Numbers 4 and 13:</p>
<p>For the information of interested New Mandala readers, today I received the following reply from the conference organisers:</p>
<p>&#8220;Dear Mr.Farrelly,</p>
<p>The conference is open to the public. Anybody who wishes to participate in the conference must register. The preliminary program and registration information will be available on website soon.</p>
<p>Yours sincerely,<br />
ICTS10 organizer&#8221;</p>
<p>Best wishes to all.</p>
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		<title>By: Lleij Samuel Schwartz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lleij Samuel Schwartz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:27:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As someone who studies cross-cultural pragmatics, I am fascinated by this particular thread of comments. Looking at who takes offense at what is extremely interesting considering the various linguistic and cultural backgrounds of the interlocutors. 

I wonder how Republican&#039;s tone (and people&#039;s response to it) if he or she were writing in Thai? Would it come across just as aggressive as certain people feel it is when Republican writes in English, or would the pragmatics of Thai force Republican to use different rhetorical and pragmatic devices? Would there be a vast difference in how native Thai speakers interpret Republican&#039;s tone as compared to non-native speakers?

Perhaps what we are seeing here is merely a case of cross-cultural pragmatic failure; that is, since we are all communicating in the medium of English (for the most part), certain pragmatic nuances are misinterpreted due to 1st language interference.

So many questions, so little time....and even less funding!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As someone who studies cross-cultural pragmatics, I am fascinated by this particular thread of comments. Looking at who takes offense at what is extremely interesting considering the various linguistic and cultural backgrounds of the interlocutors. </p>
<p>I wonder how Republican&#8217;s tone (and people&#8217;s response to it) if he or she were writing in Thai? Would it come across just as aggressive as certain people feel it is when Republican writes in English, or would the pragmatics of Thai force Republican to use different rhetorical and pragmatic devices? Would there be a vast difference in how native Thai speakers interpret Republican&#8217;s tone as compared to non-native speakers?</p>
<p>Perhaps what we are seeing here is merely a case of cross-cultural pragmatic failure; that is, since we are all communicating in the medium of English (for the most part), certain pragmatic nuances are misinterpreted due to 1st language interference.</p>
<p>So many questions, so little time&#8230;.and even less funding!</p>
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		<title>By: Lleij Samuel Schwartz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lleij Samuel Schwartz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 14:39:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re Sawarin&gt; From your original comment, it seemed as if you believed Thai academics only belonged to Marxist or royalist camps. If that were true, I used the Paine quote to comment that either of those ideologies are not to friendly to personal liberty.

Nevertheless, as a liberal of the Lockean, Georgist, and Austrian school traditions (i.e. a Libertarian), I can&#039;t say that I&#039;m too fond of &quot;value pluralism.&#039; It seems to me that a system of governance that doesn&#039;t protect the basic human rights of its subjects cannot claim a valid mandate to rule that is recognized by its people and the international community at large; as such, free nations are only required to respect  the sovereignty of such a nation as suits the free nation&#039;s self-interest.

However, I will admit value pluralism is valuable in that it makes us question just what those basic human rights are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re Sawarin&gt; From your original comment, it seemed as if you believed Thai academics only belonged to Marxist or royalist camps. If that were true, I used the Paine quote to comment that either of those ideologies are not to friendly to personal liberty.</p>
<p>Nevertheless, as a liberal of the Lockean, Georgist, and Austrian school traditions (i.e. a Libertarian), I can&#8217;t say that I&#8217;m too fond of &#8220;value pluralism.&#8217; It seems to me that a system of governance that doesn&#8217;t protect the basic human rights of its subjects cannot claim a valid mandate to rule that is recognized by its people and the international community at large; as such, free nations are only required to respect  the sovereignty of such a nation as suits the free nation&#8217;s self-interest.</p>
<p>However, I will admit value pluralism is valuable in that it makes us question just what those basic human rights are.</p>
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		<title>By: Grasshopper</title>
		<link>http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2007/07/16/thongchais-update-on-the-thai-studies-conference/comment-page-1/#comment-130339</link>
		<dc:creator>Grasshopper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 11:30:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>somon, khor thot, obviously mai wai poot pa sa tai mor som :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>somon, khor thot, obviously mai wai poot pa sa tai mor som <img src='http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: wordwallah</title>
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		<dc:creator>wordwallah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 11:09:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#31

&quot;1) There was a difference between A. standing behind democracy and the democratic process, and B. standing behind Thaksin-as-the-only-defense-of-democracy.&quot;

The &quot;difference&quot; here is more apparent than real, more rhetorical than actual, and more slippery than many a slope I can think of.

Because when you consider that Thaksin and the TRT were the only democratically elected government in evidence at the time, &quot;standing behind democracy and the democratic process&quot; would have necessarily involved standing behind that government-- not as &quot;the-only-defense-of-democracy&quot;, but rather as the only democratically elected government to defend against military-royalist anti-constitutional interference.

That, it appears to me, is a real &quot;difference&quot;. And one that genuine democrats could be expected to discern and act on, albeit holding their noses the whole time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#31</p>
<p>&#8220;1) There was a difference between A. standing behind democracy and the democratic process, and B. standing behind Thaksin-as-the-only-defense-of-democracy.&#8221;</p>
<p>The &#8220;difference&#8221; here is more apparent than real, more rhetorical than actual, and more slippery than many a slope I can think of.</p>
<p>Because when you consider that Thaksin and the TRT were the only democratically elected government in evidence at the time, &#8220;standing behind democracy and the democratic process&#8221; would have necessarily involved standing behind that government&#8211; not as &#8220;the-only-defense-of-democracy&#8221;, but rather as the only democratically elected government to defend against military-royalist anti-constitutional interference.</p>
<p>That, it appears to me, is a real &#8220;difference&#8221;. And one that genuine democrats could be expected to discern and act on, albeit holding their noses the whole time.</p>
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		<title>By: somon</title>
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		<dc:creator>somon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 10:57:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ผมเขียนภาษาอังกฤษไม่ได้ แต่อ่าน Grasshopper อดไม่ได้ต้องบอกว่า ตลกดี</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ผมเขียนภาษาอังกฤษไม่ได้ แต่อ่าน Grasshopper อดไม่ได้ต้องบอกว่า ตลกดี</p>
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		<title>By: ESL Teacher</title>
		<link>http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2007/07/16/thongchais-update-on-the-thai-studies-conference/comment-page-1/#comment-130310</link>
		<dc:creator>ESL Teacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 10:22:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Republican a Thai? I wish I could be as articulate as that. I have never met a second language speaker that good. Maybe Thai mother.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Republican a Thai? I wish I could be as articulate as that. I have never met a second language speaker that good. Maybe Thai mother.</p>
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		<title>By: Grasshopper</title>
		<link>http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2007/07/16/thongchais-update-on-the-thai-studies-conference/comment-page-1/#comment-130294</link>
		<dc:creator>Grasshopper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 09:31:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Republican, a fascist liberal is someone who insists upon the adoption of liberalism. Obviously it is an oxymoron. Why aren&#039;t you out in the jungle leading your guerrilla forces on a siege of Bangkok to impose freedom on the masses? The CIA could sponsor you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Republican, a fascist liberal is someone who insists upon the adoption of liberalism. Obviously it is an oxymoron. Why aren&#8217;t you out in the jungle leading your guerrilla forces on a siege of Bangkok to impose freedom on the masses? The CIA could sponsor you!</p>
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		<title>By: amberwaves</title>
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		<dc:creator>amberwaves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 09:02:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re: #37: Fair enough, except that Republican misrepresents Thongchai&#039;s positions and tries to bluster instead of present a cogent argument.

I actually think it is not so hard to figure out whether Republican is being fair or not, by going and looking at what Thongchai has written. This has nothing to do with what is or isn&#039;t &quot;true in his own heart.&quot;

(Tosakan said: In the final analysis. I don’t know if Republican is being fair to Thongchai or not, because only Thongchai knows what is true in his own heart about his personal political positions, but I think Republican has the right to call Thongchai out if he perceives that Thongchai was being a hypocrite concerning his pre and post-coup positions.)

All that said, it is still edifying to read everyone&#039;s contributions, wherever they stand. except maybe that guy who pops up now and then to take a gratuitous shot at the site&#039;s hosts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re: #37: Fair enough, except that Republican misrepresents Thongchai&#8217;s positions and tries to bluster instead of present a cogent argument.</p>
<p>I actually think it is not so hard to figure out whether Republican is being fair or not, by going and looking at what Thongchai has written. This has nothing to do with what is or isn&#8217;t &#8220;true in his own heart.&#8221;</p>
<p>(Tosakan said: In the final analysis. I don’t know if Republican is being fair to Thongchai or not, because only Thongchai knows what is true in his own heart about his personal political positions, but I think Republican has the right to call Thongchai out if he perceives that Thongchai was being a hypocrite concerning his pre and post-coup positions.)</p>
<p>All that said, it is still edifying to read everyone&#8217;s contributions, wherever they stand. except maybe that guy who pops up now and then to take a gratuitous shot at the site&#8217;s hosts.</p>
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		<title>By: Sawarin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sawarin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 08:19:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#32

FYI, I belong to neither of those traditions. &#039;Value pluralism&#039; is a familiar word amongst the liberals. And thanks for quoting my senior alumnus, though I don&#039;t know what for....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#32</p>
<p>FYI, I belong to neither of those traditions. &#8216;Value pluralism&#8217; is a familiar word amongst the liberals. And thanks for quoting my senior alumnus, though I don&#8217;t know what for&#8230;.</p>
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