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	<title>Comments on: Interview with Professor Pasuk Phongpaichit</title>
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		<title>By: Chris  Beale</title>
		<link>http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2007/09/04/interview-with-professor-pasuk-phongpaichit/comment-page-1/#comment-671916</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris  Beale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 13:54:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good  interview  with  a  truly  great  Thai.
But  it&#039;s  a  pity  she  was  not  asked  how  real  she  thought  the  danger  was  that  &quot;Thailand&quot;  is  on  the  way  to  breaking-up,  disintegrating.  This  seems  to  me  the  very  real,  fundamental  question  which  very  few  dare  ask.  How  much  is  the  country  going  back  to  some  kind  of  looser,  Siamese  federalism  ?
Or  total  break-up ?
It  seems  to  me  the  regional  and  class  divisions  are  now  so  great  -  and  alm0st  insurmountable.  But  of  course  nobody  in  
Bangkok&#039;s  elite  -  not  even  in  academic /  activist   circles  -  wants  to  face  this.  For  whatever  reasons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good  interview  with  a  truly  great  Thai.<br />
But  it&#8217;s  a  pity  she  was  not  asked  how  real  she  thought  the  danger  was  that  &#8220;Thailand&#8221;  is  on  the  way  to  breaking-up,  disintegrating.  This  seems  to  me  the  very  real,  fundamental  question  which  very  few  dare  ask.  How  much  is  the  country  going  back  to  some  kind  of  looser,  Siamese  federalism  ?<br />
Or  total  break-up ?<br />
It  seems  to  me  the  regional  and  class  divisions  are  now  so  great  &#8211;  and  alm0st  insurmountable.  But  of  course  nobody  in<br />
Bangkok&#8217;s  elite  &#8211;  not  even  in  academic /  activist   circles  &#8211;  wants  to  face  this.  For  whatever  reasons.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Taylor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 07:11:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pasuk, as other academics get confused between policy and practice, and for that matter the real distribution of power in Thailand; quoting Thaksin &quot;violent way he approached the drug problem and the southern problem. Many people, including me, would like to see him being put on trial on these issues...&quot; OK, so what about the military that as we now know he had little power to control (other than dissolving sor-or-por-tor in the south) and have to account for the outcome that everyone seems so concerned about highlighting?  As Head of GOV he should shoulder some blame, as indeed any Head of GOV, but how much of events in Thailand could he actually control? Evn as &quot;CEO&quot; he had to listen to advice; and as CEO he may have been, but geez, Pasuk should know who really holds power to make things happen in Thailand. Or how about the breach of human rights by the current unelected fascist regime? If you want to apply standards then these should be applied across the board.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pasuk, as other academics get confused between policy and practice, and for that matter the real distribution of power in Thailand; quoting Thaksin &#8220;violent way he approached the drug problem and the southern problem. Many people, including me, would like to see him being put on trial on these issues&#8230;&#8221; OK, so what about the military that as we now know he had little power to control (other than dissolving sor-or-por-tor in the south) and have to account for the outcome that everyone seems so concerned about highlighting?  As Head of GOV he should shoulder some blame, as indeed any Head of GOV, but how much of events in Thailand could he actually control? Evn as &#8220;CEO&#8221; he had to listen to advice; and as CEO he may have been, but geez, Pasuk should know who really holds power to make things happen in Thailand. Or how about the breach of human rights by the current unelected fascist regime? If you want to apply standards then these should be applied across the board.</p>
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		<title>By: Jafar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jafar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 13:34:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>excellent!
Pasuk is one of my favorite writers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>excellent!<br />
Pasuk is one of my favorite writers.</p>
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		<title>By: R. N. England</title>
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		<dc:creator>R. N. England</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 06:56:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pasuk and Chris Baker are my favourite political commentators on Thailand.  But I agree with Observer,  for the reasons Observer outlined,  that the anti-Thaksin stuff is the weakest part her contribution. 
   No doubt Thaksin is a power-hungry scoundrel, but I can&#039;t see that he is especially bad. Transparency International records no evidence of any increase in the perceived level of corruption in Thailand during his tenure.    
   Perhaps because he was an outsider, Thaksin was forced to use the democratic system to advance himself. The constraints of democracy meant that he had to do a certain amount of good to maintain power, no matter what his motives were. It is for the good, not the bad things he did, that the Bangkok insiders hate him. Democracy raises the price of power, and they hate it too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pasuk and Chris Baker are my favourite political commentators on Thailand.  But I agree with Observer,  for the reasons Observer outlined,  that the anti-Thaksin stuff is the weakest part her contribution.<br />
   No doubt Thaksin is a power-hungry scoundrel, but I can&#8217;t see that he is especially bad. Transparency International records no evidence of any increase in the perceived level of corruption in Thailand during his tenure.<br />
   Perhaps because he was an outsider, Thaksin was forced to use the democratic system to advance himself. The constraints of democracy meant that he had to do a certain amount of good to maintain power, no matter what his motives were. It is for the good, not the bad things he did, that the Bangkok insiders hate him. Democracy raises the price of power, and they hate it too.</p>
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		<title>By: clement</title>
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		<dc:creator>clement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 14:38:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>factionalism is the real devil behind the constant woes of thailand.  thaksin,  like any savvy businessman,  worked the system for his own good.  certainly,  he performed better than most of his predecessors due to his acumen and charisma;  but ultimately he failed in the critical area of integrity and love for his nation.  pity,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>factionalism is the real devil behind the constant woes of thailand.  thaksin,  like any savvy businessman,  worked the system for his own good.  certainly,  he performed better than most of his predecessors due to his acumen and charisma;  but ultimately he failed in the critical area of integrity and love for his nation.  pity,</p>
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		<title>By: observer</title>
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		<dc:creator>observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 09:09:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Question four should read:

4) Why are Thaksin’s foes not angry with the junta for either botching the investigations, or selecting not to prosecute some crimes? Why is no one upset that Newin, Suriya and others seems to be walking away clean, much like the last round of “unusually wealthy” 15 years ago?

Apologies.</description>
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<p>4) Why are Thaksin’s foes not angry with the junta for either botching the investigations, or selecting not to prosecute some crimes? Why is no one upset that Newin, Suriya and others seems to be walking away clean, much like the last round of “unusually wealthy” 15 years ago?</p>
<p>Apologies.</p>
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		<title>By: observer</title>
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		<dc:creator>observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 07:26:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;&quot;&gt;He came into politics because of his business interests and he was never able to separate the two. He thought he could act like a typical Thai tao-kae CEO and push everybody else around, and in the end that meant he was a very bad politician who failed to understand the political environment properly. Back in 2000, I did not see that he was also flawed in other ways which emerged in the violent way he approached the drug problem and the southern problem. Many people, including me, would like to see him being put on trial on these issues. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

This, to my mind, comes a lot closer to the real issue many Thais had with Thaksin than the manufactured accusations of the junta.  However, it alone is a weak rationale for the overthrow of a democratic regime.

Thaksin did seem willing to push the limits to enhance and preserve his power. I would guess that his close association with Newin Chitchob did more to turn Bangkok against him than corruption or violence. It did me.

However, it is far from clear that Thaksin&#039;s government was more corrupt than that of Banharn or Chavalit.  The violence against drug dealers was apparently endorsed wholeheartedly by the King (who in the quote I have seen even cited the number of dead approvingly). Accusing Thaksin of being brutal in the South seems silly in light of the militaries record over several decades and their leading role in the worst episode. Finally, I am skeptical that Thaksin promoted his own business at the expense of the country. Maybe he did, but the argument as presented so far is without substantiation. The loan to Burma seems trivial when one looks at what portion could actually have hit his own pocket.

I don’t think one can avoid the conclusion that the military acted for reasons of their own interest to a much greater extent than they claim. 

The reason for my post, however, is to explore a bit more carefully your desire for a trial. I’d love to get answers to these questions from Ajarn Pasuk or any others:
1)	What are the specific crimes you would like to see Thaksin on trial for?
2)	Why do you think these are being ignored by the junta, who are pursuing crimes that seems much less serious and, perhaps, harder to convict.
3)	Why is the junta only pursuing a few very minor cases? We have heard so much about the airport and CTX scanners, why are these now being ignored?
4)	Why are Thaksin’s foes not angry with the junta for either botching the investigations? Why is no one that Newin, Suriya and others seems to be walking away clean, much like the last round of “unusually wealthy” 15 years ago?
5)	Do you think the lack of progress is because Thaksin cleverly covered everything up, because the investigators are incompetent, because the junta has cut deals with everyone, or because their side was equally involved and the only crimes that Thaksin was involved in that their crony’s weren’t were his own personal dealings (Ratchada house, asset concealment)?

I am not a Thaksin fan or a Thaksin apologist, but everyday, it seems more obvious that the junta is far guiltier of “pushing people around” and not being able to separate their own interest from that of the country. Where is the outrage?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote cite=""><p>He came into politics because of his business interests and he was never able to separate the two. He thought he could act like a typical Thai tao-kae CEO and push everybody else around, and in the end that meant he was a very bad politician who failed to understand the political environment properly. Back in 2000, I did not see that he was also flawed in other ways which emerged in the violent way he approached the drug problem and the southern problem. Many people, including me, would like to see him being put on trial on these issues. </p></blockquote>
<p>This, to my mind, comes a lot closer to the real issue many Thais had with Thaksin than the manufactured accusations of the junta.  However, it alone is a weak rationale for the overthrow of a democratic regime.</p>
<p>Thaksin did seem willing to push the limits to enhance and preserve his power. I would guess that his close association with Newin Chitchob did more to turn Bangkok against him than corruption or violence. It did me.</p>
<p>However, it is far from clear that Thaksin&#8217;s government was more corrupt than that of Banharn or Chavalit.  The violence against drug dealers was apparently endorsed wholeheartedly by the King (who in the quote I have seen even cited the number of dead approvingly). Accusing Thaksin of being brutal in the South seems silly in light of the militaries record over several decades and their leading role in the worst episode. Finally, I am skeptical that Thaksin promoted his own business at the expense of the country. Maybe he did, but the argument as presented so far is without substantiation. The loan to Burma seems trivial when one looks at what portion could actually have hit his own pocket.</p>
<p>I don’t think one can avoid the conclusion that the military acted for reasons of their own interest to a much greater extent than they claim. </p>
<p>The reason for my post, however, is to explore a bit more carefully your desire for a trial. I’d love to get answers to these questions from Ajarn Pasuk or any others:<br />
1)	What are the specific crimes you would like to see Thaksin on trial for?<br />
2)	Why do you think these are being ignored by the junta, who are pursuing crimes that seems much less serious and, perhaps, harder to convict.<br />
3)	Why is the junta only pursuing a few very minor cases? We have heard so much about the airport and CTX scanners, why are these now being ignored?<br />
4)	Why are Thaksin’s foes not angry with the junta for either botching the investigations? Why is no one that Newin, Suriya and others seems to be walking away clean, much like the last round of “unusually wealthy” 15 years ago?<br />
5)	Do you think the lack of progress is because Thaksin cleverly covered everything up, because the investigators are incompetent, because the junta has cut deals with everyone, or because their side was equally involved and the only crimes that Thaksin was involved in that their crony’s weren’t were his own personal dealings (Ratchada house, asset concealment)?</p>
<p>I am not a Thaksin fan or a Thaksin apologist, but everyday, it seems more obvious that the junta is far guiltier of “pushing people around” and not being able to separate their own interest from that of the country. Where is the outrage?</p>
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		<title>By: jonfernquest</title>
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		<dc:creator>jonfernquest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 04:03:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fantastic. You certainly are getting all the people who&#039;ve made a real difference over the long-run in your interview series.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fantastic. You certainly are getting all the people who&#8217;ve made a real difference over the long-run in your interview series.</p>
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		<title>By: Grasshopper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grasshopper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 23:03:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the interview</description>
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		<title>By: Bangkok Pundit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bangkok Pundit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 14:37:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another great interview.</description>
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