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	<title>Comments on: The Lao resettlement controversy</title>
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		<title>By: vincent</title>
		<link>http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2007/12/03/the-lao-resettlement-controversy/comment-page-1/#comment-434825</link>
		<dc:creator>vincent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 10:44:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Conflict of interest 

Mr Jackson should say that he is involved in a mining project in Laos if he is going to comment on resettlement to make way for a mine. The fact that he is making money from mining in Laos, or a company mining there, is not something that he should hide from people reading his comments.  Thank you Mr Hall for pointing this out.</description>
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<p>Mr Jackson should say that he is involved in a mining project in Laos if he is going to comment on resettlement to make way for a mine. The fact that he is making money from mining in Laos, or a company mining there, is not something that he should hide from people reading his comments.  Thank you Mr Hall for pointing this out.</p>
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		<title>By: Melody Kemp</title>
		<link>http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2007/12/03/the-lao-resettlement-controversy/comment-page-1/#comment-414782</link>
		<dc:creator>Melody Kemp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 04:25:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keith, 

I think you are in touch with my partner Sean.. he may have maps in the office. Mike Callahan has an extensive library of maps and GIS data. Have you contacted him?

Ref the resettlement debate I am concious of the fact that farmers grow to know their land. I think planners assume that one parcel of land is as good as another but as non farmers they may not be cognisent of the time it takes for a framer to familiarise themselves with drainage patterns, sunlight, slope, local bugs, weather patterns etc. 
There has been evidence of malnutrition in the new THPC site due to this. The health adviser is concerned about the extent of malnutrition. The same is true I gather of the NT2. where the people say they are happy with health centers and schools but not happy about being dependent on rice handouts. It&#039;s worth mentioning that the Aheu  (sp??) people I have been told by Monsieur Alton  had a very important ancestral spiritual site located exactly where the dam wall is situated.  Attempts to resettle in some approximation to the site to maintain some links with the ancestors have been refused. No one is prepared to say who made this decision. The proposed NT1 site will also submerge a few ancient caves and ancestral sites. Women  in some minority groups are concerned that the placentas of their children which are usually buried around the houses may be abandoned with dire risk to the children. Ceremonies have to compensate.. so its all very complex as several writers have pointed out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keith, </p>
<p>I think you are in touch with my partner Sean.. he may have maps in the office. Mike Callahan has an extensive library of maps and GIS data. Have you contacted him?</p>
<p>Ref the resettlement debate I am concious of the fact that farmers grow to know their land. I think planners assume that one parcel of land is as good as another but as non farmers they may not be cognisent of the time it takes for a framer to familiarise themselves with drainage patterns, sunlight, slope, local bugs, weather patterns etc.<br />
There has been evidence of malnutrition in the new THPC site due to this. The health adviser is concerned about the extent of malnutrition. The same is true I gather of the NT2. where the people say they are happy with health centers and schools but not happy about being dependent on rice handouts. It&#8217;s worth mentioning that the Aheu  (sp??) people I have been told by Monsieur Alton  had a very important ancestral spiritual site located exactly where the dam wall is situated.  Attempts to resettle in some approximation to the site to maintain some links with the ancestors have been refused. No one is prepared to say who made this decision. The proposed NT1 site will also submerge a few ancient caves and ancestral sites. Women  in some minority groups are concerned that the placentas of their children which are usually buried around the houses may be abandoned with dire risk to the children. Ceremonies have to compensate.. so its all very complex as several writers have pointed out.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith Barney</title>
		<link>http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2007/12/03/the-lao-resettlement-controversy/comment-page-1/#comment-277557</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith Barney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 20:25:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi:

I would be interested if anyone has in their possession any maps which indicate the geographical extent of of state-sponsored upland resettlement or focal site development in Laos, or in specific provinces in Laos, over say, the past ten or fifteen years?

I have heard anecdotes of &#039;empty districts&#039; in southern Laos due to state-sponsored resettlement schemes, but have not seen much real data on this issue. 

A visual, cartographic representation of resettlement in Laos could serve as a very useful basis for debate and discussion.  

Keith Barney</description>
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<p>I would be interested if anyone has in their possession any maps which indicate the geographical extent of of state-sponsored upland resettlement or focal site development in Laos, or in specific provinces in Laos, over say, the past ten or fifteen years?</p>
<p>I have heard anecdotes of &#8216;empty districts&#8217; in southern Laos due to state-sponsored resettlement schemes, but have not seen much real data on this issue. </p>
<p>A visual, cartographic representation of resettlement in Laos could serve as a very useful basis for debate and discussion.  </p>
<p>Keith Barney</p>
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		<title>By: John Hall</title>
		<link>http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2007/12/03/the-lao-resettlement-controversy/comment-page-1/#comment-276263</link>
		<dc:creator>John Hall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 06:01:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t resist responding one more time. It is amusing that Khamtham has called me a &quot;prude&quot;. I am wondering if he or she even knows the meaning of the word. I suspect not. Khamtham simply wants to lash out at me. The Oxford dictionary defines it as,

&quot;a person who is or claims to be easily shocked by matters relating to sex or nudity.&quot;

Khamtham is revealing his or her ignorance of the words he or she uses. Is there any reason to think I am easily shocked by matters related to sex or nudity? I think not. Khamtham&#039;s comments really are laughable.

Clearly, the careful use of words is important, even if Khamtham seems to think otherwise. Khamtham, thanks for making my point for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t resist responding one more time. It is amusing that Khamtham has called me a &#8220;prude&#8221;. I am wondering if he or she even knows the meaning of the word. I suspect not. Khamtham simply wants to lash out at me. The Oxford dictionary defines it as,</p>
<p>&#8220;a person who is or claims to be easily shocked by matters relating to sex or nudity.&#8221;</p>
<p>Khamtham is revealing his or her ignorance of the words he or she uses. Is there any reason to think I am easily shocked by matters related to sex or nudity? I think not. Khamtham&#8217;s comments really are laughable.</p>
<p>Clearly, the careful use of words is important, even if Khamtham seems to think otherwise. Khamtham, thanks for making my point for me.</p>
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		<title>By: khamtham</title>
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		<dc:creator>khamtham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 23:43:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are right Mariner, complete anonymity is a myth, and it is a struggle and a risk to make any kind of public expression, but I think it is a worthy ideal to uphold and the internet blogsite is still relatively anonymous compared to other forms of media, even in post-coup Thailand. I think it is important because if it was not an option then the only contributions to debates like these would be from prudes like John Hall who gain satisfaction from attacking other contributors for speaking single words out of place and supposedly discrediting them by association with industry.

This may be my final communication regarding this matter but maybe not &quot;exactly&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are right Mariner, complete anonymity is a myth, and it is a struggle and a risk to make any kind of public expression, but I think it is a worthy ideal to uphold and the internet blogsite is still relatively anonymous compared to other forms of media, even in post-coup Thailand. I think it is important because if it was not an option then the only contributions to debates like these would be from prudes like John Hall who gain satisfaction from attacking other contributors for speaking single words out of place and supposedly discrediting them by association with industry.</p>
<p>This may be my final communication regarding this matter but maybe not &#8220;exactly&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Mariner</title>
		<link>http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2007/12/03/the-lao-resettlement-controversy/comment-page-1/#comment-275944</link>
		<dc:creator>Mariner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 14:05:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In response to Khamtham, above, I have doubts about  the degree of anonymity.  It is no secret that New Mandala is  a site which the Thai &#039;authorities&#039;  keep an eye on.  For those of us here in the &#039;land of smiles&#039; we have to be pretty careful about what we write -and no I don&#039;t think I being particularly  paranoid. There is a new and alarming reality here and the future looks pretty grim.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to Khamtham, above, I have doubts about  the degree of anonymity.  It is no secret that New Mandala is  a site which the Thai &#8216;authorities&#8217;  keep an eye on.  For those of us here in the &#8216;land of smiles&#8217; we have to be pretty careful about what we write -and no I don&#8217;t think I being particularly  paranoid. There is a new and alarming reality here and the future looks pretty grim.</p>
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		<title>By: John Hall</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Hall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 07:10:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Khamtham is misrepresenting the situation. Richard Jackson initially said that Holly High&#039;s post &quot;exactly&quot; paralleled his own experiences. Since he works on project-related resettlement associated with the Xepon Mine, it was reasonable for me to question whether his experiences really did parallel Holly High&#039;s experiences &quot;exactly&quot;, as he claimed. She has apparently mainly been working with lowland people (with some experiences with the Hmong in Vieng Xay), including resettlement of lowlanders in the Lowlands. Richard Jackson, however, has been working on project-related resettlement with Mon-Khmer language speakers and Phou Thai in the uplands of Savannakhet. 

I appreciate Richard Jackson&#039;s explanation. He makes some interesting observations, but it still appears that while he may be aware of other non-project resettlement going on in Vilaboury district, I doubt that he has been directly working on that resettlement, or with the people involved, as that resettlement does not relate to the Xepon Mine. So, in the end I can&#039;t imagine that his experiences &quot;exactly&quot; parallel Holly High&#039;s.

I think that those who post on this blog have the right to contribute whatever information they see fit, provided that they are polite. Khamtham should not try to impose rules on others. It appears that he or she is guilty of the exact thing that he or she has accussed me of. But I just asked for Richard Jackson to provide more information, as did Holly High. It was up to him to either respond or not. We all have that right. He didn&#039;t have to respond.

One last comment: It is interesting that Richard Jackson refers to resettlement as either &quot;voluntary&quot; or &quot;unvoluntary&quot;. This is actually the type of dichotomy that Baird and Shoemaker warn against. They suggest that we need to examine our use of those terms more critically. I agree.

This will be my last communication regarding this matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Khamtham is misrepresenting the situation. Richard Jackson initially said that Holly High&#8217;s post &#8220;exactly&#8221; paralleled his own experiences. Since he works on project-related resettlement associated with the Xepon Mine, it was reasonable for me to question whether his experiences really did parallel Holly High&#8217;s experiences &#8220;exactly&#8221;, as he claimed. She has apparently mainly been working with lowland people (with some experiences with the Hmong in Vieng Xay), including resettlement of lowlanders in the Lowlands. Richard Jackson, however, has been working on project-related resettlement with Mon-Khmer language speakers and Phou Thai in the uplands of Savannakhet. </p>
<p>I appreciate Richard Jackson&#8217;s explanation. He makes some interesting observations, but it still appears that while he may be aware of other non-project resettlement going on in Vilaboury district, I doubt that he has been directly working on that resettlement, or with the people involved, as that resettlement does not relate to the Xepon Mine. So, in the end I can&#8217;t imagine that his experiences &#8220;exactly&#8221; parallel Holly High&#8217;s.</p>
<p>I think that those who post on this blog have the right to contribute whatever information they see fit, provided that they are polite. Khamtham should not try to impose rules on others. It appears that he or she is guilty of the exact thing that he or she has accussed me of. But I just asked for Richard Jackson to provide more information, as did Holly High. It was up to him to either respond or not. We all have that right. He didn&#8217;t have to respond.</p>
<p>One last comment: It is interesting that Richard Jackson refers to resettlement as either &#8220;voluntary&#8221; or &#8220;unvoluntary&#8221;. This is actually the type of dichotomy that Baird and Shoemaker warn against. They suggest that we need to examine our use of those terms more critically. I agree.</p>
<p>This will be my last communication regarding this matter.</p>
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		<title>By: khamtham</title>
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		<dc:creator>khamtham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 07:10:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The strength of these forums is that they provide an &#039;anonymous&#039; space for people to present their ideas and viewpoints without being chastised for them. But if someone&#039;s only contribution to this forum is to chastise others then they should be held to account. Come on &quot;John Hall&quot;, post a reply.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The strength of these forums is that they provide an &#8216;anonymous&#8217; space for people to present their ideas and viewpoints without being chastised for them. But if someone&#8217;s only contribution to this forum is to chastise others then they should be held to account. Come on &#8220;John Hall&#8221;, post a reply.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Baird</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Baird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 23:24:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please check our response to Holly High, which has been posted on New Mandala as a separating article, dated December 14.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please check our response to Holly High, which has been posted on New Mandala as a separating article, dated December 14.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith Barney</title>
		<link>http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2007/12/03/the-lao-resettlement-controversy/comment-page-1/#comment-274206</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith Barney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:21:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK John Hall-- seems like it&#039;s your turn to weigh in. 

I&#039;ve tried googling you but with no success, unless you are the John Hall on the web that has been &#039;serving Arizona real estate since 1974&#039;?!

Keith</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK John Hall&#8211; seems like it&#8217;s your turn to weigh in. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve tried googling you but with no success, unless you are the John Hall on the web that has been &#8217;serving Arizona real estate since 1974&#8242;?!</p>
<p>Keith</p>
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