Comments on: The community forest cul-de-sac http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2008/01/02/the-community-forest-cul-de-sac/ New perspectives on mainland Southeast Asia Mon, 23 Nov 2009 15:28:26 +1100 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Jean-Philippe Leblond http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2008/01/02/the-community-forest-cul-de-sac/comment-page-1/#comment-565401 Jean-Philippe Leblond Wed, 08 Oct 2008 18:01:37 +0000 http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2008/01/02/the-community-forest-cul-de-sac/#comment-565401 Has the bill been published in the Royal Gazette yet ? The bill was passed in the senate on nov 21 2007. As of feb 3 2008, it wasn't published in the Royal Gazette (JANCHITFAH S (2008) Flaws in the Forestry Bill. Bangkok Post, (feb 3). Is this delay normal? How long does it usually take? I'd really like to know what happened once the Samak government came in. Did they approve the bill and send it for royal approval or not? Did the Royal Juridical council conclude that it was violating the 2007 constitution? Anyone knows ? Has the bill been published in the Royal Gazette yet ?

The bill was passed in the senate on nov 21 2007. As of feb 3 2008, it wasn’t published in the Royal Gazette (JANCHITFAH S (2008) Flaws in the Forestry Bill. Bangkok Post, (feb 3).

Is this delay normal? How long does it usually take?
I’d really like to know what happened once the Samak government came in. Did they approve the bill and send it for royal approval or not?
Did the Royal Juridical council conclude that it was violating the 2007 constitution?

Anyone knows ?

]]> By: Andrew Walker http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2008/01/02/the-community-forest-cul-de-sac/comment-page-1/#comment-290494 Andrew Walker Thu, 03 Jan 2008 04:34:20 +0000 http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2008/01/02/the-community-forest-cul-de-sac/#comment-290494 Thanks Sango, it would be good to get some open debate going on this. Sometimes I think there is an informal rule of lèse communité in Thailand that makes academics and activists reluctant to openly debate community forestry. On the issue of security - I agree this is a key issue. But I am unconvinced that a law that prohibits agriculture in community forest areas (and that is what the people's version of the community forest bill proposed) does anything to enhance the security of those residing (and farming!) within or near forest reserve areas. Thanks Sango, it would be good to get some open debate going on this. Sometimes I think there is an informal rule of lèse communité in Thailand that makes academics and activists reluctant to openly debate community forestry. On the issue of security – I agree this is a key issue. But I am unconvinced that a law that prohibits agriculture in community forest areas (and that is what the people’s version of the community forest bill proposed) does anything to enhance the security of those residing (and farming!) within or near forest reserve areas.

]]> By: Sango Mahanty http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2008/01/02/the-community-forest-cul-de-sac/comment-page-1/#comment-290306 Sango Mahanty Thu, 03 Jan 2008 00:11:08 +0000 http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2008/01/02/the-community-forest-cul-de-sac/#comment-290306 Andrew's posting raised some questions for me: is it better to have a law that allows some degree of security for some people in some areas for certain modes of forest use, or to have no CF law at all? Is the continuation of informal forest use preferable to the greater scrutiny over forest management and use that might come with a new law? My own sense is that the answers are not clear cut and ultimately will depend on specific circumstances, but I'd be interested in the views of people that know Thailand better than I do. Andrew’s posting raised some questions for me: is it better to have a law that allows some degree of security for some people in some areas for certain modes of forest use, or to have no CF law at all? Is the continuation of informal forest use preferable to the greater scrutiny over forest management and use that might come with a new law? My own sense is that the answers are not clear cut and ultimately will depend on specific circumstances, but I’d be interested in the views of people that know Thailand better than I do.

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