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	<title>Comments on: Interview with Burma&#8217;s Ma Thanegi</title>
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		<title>By: Hla Oo</title>
		<link>http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2008/03/02/interview-with-burmas-ma-thanegi/comment-page-1/#comment-554964</link>
		<dc:creator>Hla Oo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 08:50:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;We must take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the oppressed. Sometimes we must interfere. . . there is so much injustice and suffering crying out for our attention . . . .,&quot; 

Elie Wiesel, 1986 Nobel Peace Prize Winner.

Which side is Ma Theingi on?

Maybe on the fence like so many faceless Burmese has fearfully done for many, many, long years now!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;We must take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the oppressed. Sometimes we must interfere. . . there is so much injustice and suffering crying out for our attention . . . .,&#8221; </p>
<p>Elie Wiesel, 1986 Nobel Peace Prize Winner.</p>
<p>Which side is Ma Theingi on?</p>
<p>Maybe on the fence like so many faceless Burmese has fearfully done for many, many, long years now!</p>
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		<title>By: Yeyint</title>
		<link>http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2008/03/02/interview-with-burmas-ma-thanegi/comment-page-1/#comment-554606</link>
		<dc:creator>Yeyint</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 15:47:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Val, how you or other anti-sanctions could prove that sanctions have done more harm to people in Burma? Surely, you and other critics will point out to the impacts on garment industry after US establishment of Burma Freedom and Democracy Act in 2003. Yes, thousands of female employees lost their jobs after  BFDA came into effect and further as some observers claimed, many of them enetred into sex industry. Yet, there were wide discrepancies in the figures of unemployed from 30,000 to 100,000 0r 300,000. But even the highest figures still not representing majority of the ordinary people and could not be claimed as huge impacts on the civilians. What about the unemployed girls in the sex industry? No one encouraged them to go into sex industry and prostitution is not the only alternative for income in a country like Burma where majority of people live on the informal or gray economy. If the prostitution is sole opportunity apart from working in the garment industry or foreign firms, every single unemployed girl in Burma is in the risk of becoming prostitutes?Did every body know that OSS (Office of Strategic Studies) under the Defence Ministry of Burma played a critical role in organising petition against US sanctions and fabricating numbers of job-loss? Have you ever watched BBC hidden camera interview with an official from Garment Industry Association? 

Just think about the ethnic girls as young as seven are raped by the Burmese soldiers while some of unemployed girls went for prostitution though various factors are contributed from moral characters to the junta&#039;s blind eyes on the industry. Further, the junta promoted sex industry by allowing more night clubs in cities across the country and the scandals of high ranking junta&#039;s officials with the sluts from show business are widely known. 

It is unbelieveable that no one in this debate replies about the release of political prisoners and Suu Kyi for genuine dialogue.

Some people claim that civil society needs to be strengthened and living standard, as Val mentioned, needs to be promoted first. As long as the economy is in the hands of the junta, majority of people will not be able to build up a  strong society. We support the US targeted sanctions significantly from 2007 after the bloody crackdowns in September. Do you still want to say that the businessman like Tayza, blacklisted by the US is an ordinary citizen of Burma? 

What about diplomatic option? While the regional countries&#039; constructive engagement did not work for the last twenty years, thousands of people have been wiped out in their own land, villages relocated or destroyed, innocent civilians were brutally killed and young girls are raped and burnt alive or mutilated to death.

Should we still wait for another twenty years of diplomatic solution when one or two of ethnic minorites would have been entirely wiped off by the junta by that time?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Val, how you or other anti-sanctions could prove that sanctions have done more harm to people in Burma? Surely, you and other critics will point out to the impacts on garment industry after US establishment of Burma Freedom and Democracy Act in 2003. Yes, thousands of female employees lost their jobs after  BFDA came into effect and further as some observers claimed, many of them enetred into sex industry. Yet, there were wide discrepancies in the figures of unemployed from 30,000 to 100,000 0r 300,000. But even the highest figures still not representing majority of the ordinary people and could not be claimed as huge impacts on the civilians. What about the unemployed girls in the sex industry? No one encouraged them to go into sex industry and prostitution is not the only alternative for income in a country like Burma where majority of people live on the informal or gray economy. If the prostitution is sole opportunity apart from working in the garment industry or foreign firms, every single unemployed girl in Burma is in the risk of becoming prostitutes?Did every body know that OSS (Office of Strategic Studies) under the Defence Ministry of Burma played a critical role in organising petition against US sanctions and fabricating numbers of job-loss? Have you ever watched BBC hidden camera interview with an official from Garment Industry Association? </p>
<p>Just think about the ethnic girls as young as seven are raped by the Burmese soldiers while some of unemployed girls went for prostitution though various factors are contributed from moral characters to the junta&#8217;s blind eyes on the industry. Further, the junta promoted sex industry by allowing more night clubs in cities across the country and the scandals of high ranking junta&#8217;s officials with the sluts from show business are widely known. </p>
<p>It is unbelieveable that no one in this debate replies about the release of political prisoners and Suu Kyi for genuine dialogue.</p>
<p>Some people claim that civil society needs to be strengthened and living standard, as Val mentioned, needs to be promoted first. As long as the economy is in the hands of the junta, majority of people will not be able to build up a  strong society. We support the US targeted sanctions significantly from 2007 after the bloody crackdowns in September. Do you still want to say that the businessman like Tayza, blacklisted by the US is an ordinary citizen of Burma? </p>
<p>What about diplomatic option? While the regional countries&#8217; constructive engagement did not work for the last twenty years, thousands of people have been wiped out in their own land, villages relocated or destroyed, innocent civilians were brutally killed and young girls are raped and burnt alive or mutilated to death.</p>
<p>Should we still wait for another twenty years of diplomatic solution when one or two of ethnic minorites would have been entirely wiped off by the junta by that time?</p>
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		<title>By: val</title>
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		<dc:creator>val</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 18:51:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeyint, there aren&#039;t simply two choices - sanctions vs military action. Aside from economic engagement, which could potentially raise the standard of living in Burma to the point where survival can be taken for granted and more grassroots political action would thereby be possible,  there are many diplomatic options open that have barely been explored. It&#039;s not so black and white. 

I agree with Mr Tonkin, Dr Win Aung and Ma Thanegi -- it&#039;s obvious that sanctions have done more harm than good.

Incidentally I have met Ma Thanegi as well, John. Her preferred spelling of her last name is &#039;Thanegi&#039; but if you were to transliterate it using the system you&#039;re using it would be &#039;Theingi,&#039; (as mayburma wrote) not Theingyi.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeyint, there aren&#8217;t simply two choices &#8211; sanctions vs military action. Aside from economic engagement, which could potentially raise the standard of living in Burma to the point where survival can be taken for granted and more grassroots political action would thereby be possible,  there are many diplomatic options open that have barely been explored. It&#8217;s not so black and white. </p>
<p>I agree with Mr Tonkin, Dr Win Aung and Ma Thanegi &#8212; it&#8217;s obvious that sanctions have done more harm than good.</p>
<p>Incidentally I have met Ma Thanegi as well, John. Her preferred spelling of her last name is &#8216;Thanegi&#8217; but if you were to transliterate it using the system you&#8217;re using it would be &#8216;Theingi,&#8217; (as mayburma wrote) not Theingyi.</p>
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		<title>By: Yeyint</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yeyint</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 12:49:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Burmese oppositions usually encounters the remarks like they are holding &#039;negative views&#039; or they are the people with attitude of &#039;you are with me or with the regime&#039;. To be honest, majority of the oppositions are fond of the truth, justice and freedom and that is what they have been fighting for almost half a century. Why we, the oppositions are still calling for sanctions against not Burma but absolutely against the junta? It is the only way to achieve a peaceful transition to democracy, the alternative is &#039;the military action&#039; which could claim thousands of lives not only on the target but on the senders as well. For sure, huge impacts on the civilians when the military action is resorted. However, the only viable approach is widely criticised and then what the critics want Burmese people to do? Say &#039;yes&#039; to whatever the regime says and do whatever the regime asks?  Fully cooperate with the junta on oppression against innocent civilians who voice for rights and freedom? 
We have to voice for the truth, we have the right to claim genuine tragedies across the country. If there are people who wants to say that the regime is right, they better go and see the refugee camps in Thai-Burma border and thousands of IDPs. Everyone can witness online for the junta&#039;s brutality against ethnic civilians as there are videos and photographic evidences. Further, the junta don&#039;t bother to kill even the foreign journalist as you would have known that incident in September, last year. How many political prisoners in Burma and how many has died in the torture chambers? We have factual evidences but not fictitious numbers.
In short, we want justice and freedom and we are ready to recognise if the regime genuinely wish for the reconciliation. But they need to prove by releasing political prisoners including Suu Kyi and reducing harassments on the dissidents first.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Burmese oppositions usually encounters the remarks like they are holding &#8216;negative views&#8217; or they are the people with attitude of &#8216;you are with me or with the regime&#8217;. To be honest, majority of the oppositions are fond of the truth, justice and freedom and that is what they have been fighting for almost half a century. Why we, the oppositions are still calling for sanctions against not Burma but absolutely against the junta? It is the only way to achieve a peaceful transition to democracy, the alternative is &#8216;the military action&#8217; which could claim thousands of lives not only on the target but on the senders as well. For sure, huge impacts on the civilians when the military action is resorted. However, the only viable approach is widely criticised and then what the critics want Burmese people to do? Say &#8216;yes&#8217; to whatever the regime says and do whatever the regime asks?  Fully cooperate with the junta on oppression against innocent civilians who voice for rights and freedom?<br />
We have to voice for the truth, we have the right to claim genuine tragedies across the country. If there are people who wants to say that the regime is right, they better go and see the refugee camps in Thai-Burma border and thousands of IDPs. Everyone can witness online for the junta&#8217;s brutality against ethnic civilians as there are videos and photographic evidences. Further, the junta don&#8217;t bother to kill even the foreign journalist as you would have known that incident in September, last year. How many political prisoners in Burma and how many has died in the torture chambers? We have factual evidences but not fictitious numbers.<br />
In short, we want justice and freedom and we are ready to recognise if the regime genuinely wish for the reconciliation. But they need to prove by releasing political prisoners including Suu Kyi and reducing harassments on the dissidents first.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek Tonkin</title>
		<link>http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2008/03/02/interview-with-burmas-ma-thanegi/comment-page-1/#comment-553193</link>
		<dc:creator>Derek Tonkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 05:43:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff

You can see from Yeyint&#039;s comments the problems you are up against. His underlying assumption is that if you disagree with sanctions against Myanmar, you might well be in the pay of the generals.  It is a good stick to beat anyone who is against sanctions. Frankly, I have never come across a single scholar or foreign journalist who is pro-junta, not a single one. But Yeyint clearly sees it important to perpetuate the myth of apologists and collaborators. It is the mentality of : &quot;You are either with us or against us&quot;.  You are either pro-sanctions and anti-regime, or anti-sanctions and pro-regime. 

He is right on one point, though, which is that the generals have in the past used lobbying firms in the US - nowhere else - to seek support for their policies. This would not be the first time that governments have done so.

Derek</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff</p>
<p>You can see from Yeyint&#8217;s comments the problems you are up against. His underlying assumption is that if you disagree with sanctions against Myanmar, you might well be in the pay of the generals.  It is a good stick to beat anyone who is against sanctions. Frankly, I have never come across a single scholar or foreign journalist who is pro-junta, not a single one. But Yeyint clearly sees it important to perpetuate the myth of apologists and collaborators. It is the mentality of : &#8220;You are either with us or against us&#8221;.  You are either pro-sanctions and anti-regime, or anti-sanctions and pro-regime. </p>
<p>He is right on one point, though, which is that the generals have in the past used lobbying firms in the US &#8211; nowhere else &#8211; to seek support for their policies. This would not be the first time that governments have done so.</p>
<p>Derek</p>
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		<title>By: Hla Oo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hla Oo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 01:32:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t agree with Dr Win Maung&#039;s statement that massive 70% of Burmese sides with the generals so long as there is peace,stability and some degree of freedom and fairness to all ethnic groups including minorities.

Because there is no peace, no stability, no freedom, and no fairness to the minorities in our beloved Burma. Even the Burmese pride from extreme nationalism brought about by Ne Win&#039;s coup earlier had already evaporated since the late seventies.

If there is such a group,  they would mainly be the people who have economic advantages over the impoverished majority because of their close relationship with the ruling generals. Their percentage would be so low one can count with one&#039;s fingers.

But, I do sympathize with Ma Theingi for her genuine opposition to the economic and trade sanctions against Burma. The sanctions not only hurt the ruling generals but it also hurt ordinary working Burmese. Maybe more to the people than the generals as the generals have money from the drug and gas sales, while people has no other alternatives to earn a living than work in the sanction-effected industries.

One particularly sad case against the sanctions is what happened to the textile industry after the sanctions. Many small and median sized cloth making shops employing hundreds of thousands of Burmese women and girls all over  Rangoon are now long closed because of US and European sanctions. 

Many of these decent working girls are now being forced into sex trade and many eventually end up in the neighboring countries&#039;s sex industry. It is a real sad story repeatedly playing all over the country again and again, mainly because of the sanctions.

But, there must be a strong reason why Daw Su did take that hard line stance against the generals from the beginning. They even tried to kill her once. Please don&#039;t forget Depayin massacre? 

Also the massive exile group of 88 generation students, who witnessed or even personally experienced the army&#039;s extreme brutalities, are now a major force in Burmese politics and they are the ones behind all the negative actions of western democracies against the Burmese generals. 

With Daw Su&#039;s incredibly long suffering on their side their group exile presence, even outside of Burma, is collectively more powerful than even U Nu when he unsuccessfully tried to topple Ne Win&#039;s Socialist government.

The current sanctions will not go away until all the wrongs committed by the Burmese army against Daw Su and these students and the country as a whole are right again. Meanwhile, the poor Burmese will be plodding along, kept on going with their enormous suffering under a brutal military dictatorship.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t agree with Dr Win Maung&#8217;s statement that massive 70% of Burmese sides with the generals so long as there is peace,stability and some degree of freedom and fairness to all ethnic groups including minorities.</p>
<p>Because there is no peace, no stability, no freedom, and no fairness to the minorities in our beloved Burma. Even the Burmese pride from extreme nationalism brought about by Ne Win&#8217;s coup earlier had already evaporated since the late seventies.</p>
<p>If there is such a group,  they would mainly be the people who have economic advantages over the impoverished majority because of their close relationship with the ruling generals. Their percentage would be so low one can count with one&#8217;s fingers.</p>
<p>But, I do sympathize with Ma Theingi for her genuine opposition to the economic and trade sanctions against Burma. The sanctions not only hurt the ruling generals but it also hurt ordinary working Burmese. Maybe more to the people than the generals as the generals have money from the drug and gas sales, while people has no other alternatives to earn a living than work in the sanction-effected industries.</p>
<p>One particularly sad case against the sanctions is what happened to the textile industry after the sanctions. Many small and median sized cloth making shops employing hundreds of thousands of Burmese women and girls all over  Rangoon are now long closed because of US and European sanctions. </p>
<p>Many of these decent working girls are now being forced into sex trade and many eventually end up in the neighboring countries&#8217;s sex industry. It is a real sad story repeatedly playing all over the country again and again, mainly because of the sanctions.</p>
<p>But, there must be a strong reason why Daw Su did take that hard line stance against the generals from the beginning. They even tried to kill her once. Please don&#8217;t forget Depayin massacre? </p>
<p>Also the massive exile group of 88 generation students, who witnessed or even personally experienced the army&#8217;s extreme brutalities, are now a major force in Burmese politics and they are the ones behind all the negative actions of western democracies against the Burmese generals. </p>
<p>With Daw Su&#8217;s incredibly long suffering on their side their group exile presence, even outside of Burma, is collectively more powerful than even U Nu when he unsuccessfully tried to topple Ne Win&#8217;s Socialist government.</p>
<p>The current sanctions will not go away until all the wrongs committed by the Burmese army against Daw Su and these students and the country as a whole are right again. Meanwhile, the poor Burmese will be plodding along, kept on going with their enormous suffering under a brutal military dictatorship.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr Win Maung</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr Win Maung</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 19:08:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Jeff
Like Yeyint , I am glad to hear that you have chosen my country as your subject. As you ,quite rightly said,Myanmar is really an emotive and complicated subject. Unless you can see its problems objectively you  are unlikely to get the correct answer. We are emotional people and emotion blinds us from seeing reality. If you want an unbiased view you should visit networkmyanmar website. I find Derek Tonkin has good insight on Myanmar and he&#039;s totally unbiased. Moreover his predictions about my country&#039;s political future usually comes true! I was born in colonial days  , therefore,have seen different governments in my country and for the past 13 years I have regularly visited towns as well as villages even remote areas of the country. I have met and talked to people from different walks of life, therefore I have first hand knowledge of real Myanmar. And I am totally politically neutral in the sense that I don&#039;t really care who rule my country either Ma Suu or U Than Shwe or whoever so long as there is peace,stability and some degree of freedom and fairness to all ethnic groups including minorities. This is what I found from the majority of Myanmars , 70 percent of them, who live in villages.It is fair to say that many of the things you hear or read from anti-government groups are true but what is lacking is acknowledgement of the improvements made by this government.This made the generals very crossed. If you read articles in networkmyanmar you will find many things which we took it for granted&quot;because they are in the news&quot;are not actually true. I am a Myanmar citizen. I was born as a Bamar and Myanmar citizen will die as a Myanmar citizen as well. I am a true practising Buddhist and I don&#039;t need  money, fame or position. When I go back home I will give free medical treatment to the poor, continue my charity work to help my country and practice meditation and prepare for next journey in Samsara. If the opportunity arise I will quietly tell  the decision makers about the good and bad points of the western democracy. More importantly I will tell  our young generation that they can built Shangri-la in our own country, not only in the west. Lastly I want to say that I really feel sorry for Ma Suu ( ASSK ). Even when she was in Myanmar she was brought up and overprotected for good reason. Then she left the country as a child, fell in love with Michael and married him. Before the marriage some Myanmar elders warned her about the marriage pointing out the position of her father but she totally cut off any contact with them . I came to London in 1976 and have been socially active among the Myanmar community ever since. She has never mixed with the Myanmars and I have never seen Ma Su except for a short glimpse in 1979 at Oaken Holt near Oxford when she came to meet the Mahasi Sayadaw. Therefore She has no real experience of dealing with Myanmars until she went to look after her mother in 1988. When the young man, who worked in the inner circle of Ma Suu, told me &quot; aunty Su will never understand our ( Myanmar&#039;s) mentality even if she lives another 50 years in Myanmar. He&#039;s a political exile in London. There&#039;s no doubt she is a very nice lady with genuine goodwill for the country. But , being ignorant of the myanmar culture she went head- on collision with  the generals  leading to this personal tragedy and the tragedy of  hundreds and thousands of young lives. She has failed as a wife, as a mother and and also failed 52 million Myanmars as a leader.That is the uncomfortable reality . As a human being it is a disaster not only for herself but also for many young and old Myanmars who rise up against the generals thinking that &quot; Daw Aung San Suu Kyi&quot; will lead them to democracy. Many of the young people lost their lives because of her and many older ones lost their livelihood while world keeps on showering her with awards after awards. Now we have the constitution and election will follow in 2010. The chance of Ma Suu ruling Myanmar is from negligible to nil. I have supported Ma Suu since 1988 but as an environmentalist and Myanmar citizen I totally disagree with her boycott of the tourism and boycott of the trade as well. If she didn&#039;t pull out of the national convention we should have had the same or better constitution much earlier and business and tourism would have been much better. What is the point of putting us through this hardship to come to the same conclusion?  We all like democracy but imagine if Blair/Gordon or Bush did the same thing as Ma Suu did to us do you think people will still support them? Absolutely not ! You are more than welcome to contact me by email in person. I live in London and you can pop in any time in weekends, just let me know in advance.
best wishes
Dr Win Maung</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Jeff<br />
Like Yeyint , I am glad to hear that you have chosen my country as your subject. As you ,quite rightly said,Myanmar is really an emotive and complicated subject. Unless you can see its problems objectively you  are unlikely to get the correct answer. We are emotional people and emotion blinds us from seeing reality. If you want an unbiased view you should visit networkmyanmar website. I find Derek Tonkin has good insight on Myanmar and he&#8217;s totally unbiased. Moreover his predictions about my country&#8217;s political future usually comes true! I was born in colonial days  , therefore,have seen different governments in my country and for the past 13 years I have regularly visited towns as well as villages even remote areas of the country. I have met and talked to people from different walks of life, therefore I have first hand knowledge of real Myanmar. And I am totally politically neutral in the sense that I don&#8217;t really care who rule my country either Ma Suu or U Than Shwe or whoever so long as there is peace,stability and some degree of freedom and fairness to all ethnic groups including minorities. This is what I found from the majority of Myanmars , 70 percent of them, who live in villages.It is fair to say that many of the things you hear or read from anti-government groups are true but what is lacking is acknowledgement of the improvements made by this government.This made the generals very crossed. If you read articles in networkmyanmar you will find many things which we took it for granted&#8221;because they are in the news&#8221;are not actually true. I am a Myanmar citizen. I was born as a Bamar and Myanmar citizen will die as a Myanmar citizen as well. I am a true practising Buddhist and I don&#8217;t need  money, fame or position. When I go back home I will give free medical treatment to the poor, continue my charity work to help my country and practice meditation and prepare for next journey in Samsara. If the opportunity arise I will quietly tell  the decision makers about the good and bad points of the western democracy. More importantly I will tell  our young generation that they can built Shangri-la in our own country, not only in the west. Lastly I want to say that I really feel sorry for Ma Suu ( ASSK ). Even when she was in Myanmar she was brought up and overprotected for good reason. Then she left the country as a child, fell in love with Michael and married him. Before the marriage some Myanmar elders warned her about the marriage pointing out the position of her father but she totally cut off any contact with them . I came to London in 1976 and have been socially active among the Myanmar community ever since. She has never mixed with the Myanmars and I have never seen Ma Su except for a short glimpse in 1979 at Oaken Holt near Oxford when she came to meet the Mahasi Sayadaw. Therefore She has no real experience of dealing with Myanmars until she went to look after her mother in 1988. When the young man, who worked in the inner circle of Ma Suu, told me &#8221; aunty Su will never understand our ( Myanmar&#8217;s) mentality even if she lives another 50 years in Myanmar. He&#8217;s a political exile in London. There&#8217;s no doubt she is a very nice lady with genuine goodwill for the country. But , being ignorant of the myanmar culture she went head- on collision with  the generals  leading to this personal tragedy and the tragedy of  hundreds and thousands of young lives. She has failed as a wife, as a mother and and also failed 52 million Myanmars as a leader.That is the uncomfortable reality . As a human being it is a disaster not only for herself but also for many young and old Myanmars who rise up against the generals thinking that &#8221; Daw Aung San Suu Kyi&#8221; will lead them to democracy. Many of the young people lost their lives because of her and many older ones lost their livelihood while world keeps on showering her with awards after awards. Now we have the constitution and election will follow in 2010. The chance of Ma Suu ruling Myanmar is from negligible to nil. I have supported Ma Suu since 1988 but as an environmentalist and Myanmar citizen I totally disagree with her boycott of the tourism and boycott of the trade as well. If she didn&#8217;t pull out of the national convention we should have had the same or better constitution much earlier and business and tourism would have been much better. What is the point of putting us through this hardship to come to the same conclusion?  We all like democracy but imagine if Blair/Gordon or Bush did the same thing as Ma Suu did to us do you think people will still support them? Absolutely not ! You are more than welcome to contact me by email in person. I live in London and you can pop in any time in weekends, just let me know in advance.<br />
best wishes<br />
Dr Win Maung</p>
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		<title>By: Yeyint</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yeyint</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 10:52:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff,

Glad to know that you are interested in Burma&#039;s crisis. Just want to remind you that try to explore all the sources as much as you can. There are both pro-junta and anti-junta media you could find different views and bias. And watch out some people who voice for junta as the Burmese junta usually hires advocacy firms and individuals e.g. some scholars and journalists for counter-arguing the issues like &#039;sanctions&#039;. The junta is good in bribing and buying international megaphones for justifying their brutality.

Best,
Yeyint</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff,</p>
<p>Glad to know that you are interested in Burma&#8217;s crisis. Just want to remind you that try to explore all the sources as much as you can. There are both pro-junta and anti-junta media you could find different views and bias. And watch out some people who voice for junta as the Burmese junta usually hires advocacy firms and individuals e.g. some scholars and journalists for counter-arguing the issues like &#8217;sanctions&#8217;. The junta is good in bribing and buying international megaphones for justifying their brutality.</p>
<p>Best,<br />
Yeyint</p>
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		<title>By: Derek Tonkin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek Tonkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 08:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff - You may find some useful material on www.networkmyanmar.org. I met Ma Thanegi in January. 

Derek Tonkin
Chairman Network Myanmar</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff &#8211; You may find some useful material on <a href="http://www.networkmyanmar.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.networkmyanmar.org</a>. I met Ma Thanegi in January. </p>
<p>Derek Tonkin<br />
Chairman Network Myanmar</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff HEMMINGS</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff HEMMINGS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 08:12:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am currently completing an Open University course and have chosen Burma/Myanmar as my subject. This is a very emotive and complicated situation. I am only scratching the surface.

A.H.Jeff Hemmings</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am currently completing an Open University course and have chosen Burma/Myanmar as my subject. This is a very emotive and complicated situation. I am only scratching the surface.</p>
<p>A.H.Jeff Hemmings</p>
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