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	<title>Comments on: Tom Plate on the East-West Center&#8217;s royal event</title>
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		<title>By: Dog Lover</title>
		<link>http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2008/03/10/tom-plate-on-the-east-west-centers-royal-event/comment-page-1/#comment-391095</link>
		<dc:creator>Dog Lover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 18:15:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read the Japan Times version and Plate makes good points that need to be made every time this king gets another of these awards (some of them created for him). Each time a foreign organisation makes this king an award, they ignore his complicity in the 2006 coup, his regular support for authoritarian and military government in Thailand. By honouring him, they burnish his image. Well done Tom Plate on calling out the posterior polishers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read the Japan Times version and Plate makes good points that need to be made every time this king gets another of these awards (some of them created for him). Each time a foreign organisation makes this king an award, they ignore his complicity in the 2006 coup, his regular support for authoritarian and military government in Thailand. By honouring him, they burnish his image. Well done Tom Plate on calling out the posterior polishers.</p>
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		<title>By: khon ngai ngai</title>
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		<dc:creator>khon ngai ngai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 04:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found Plate’s comments shallow and cursory.  Nevertheless, he has indeed pointed out in earnest the same things many in New Mandala feel,  i.e,  the well rehearsed allusions to the anachronism of the royal Thai institution that so repulses some (if not many) NM contributors.  But those of us exposed daily to the devoted nightly news segment on Thai TV between 8PM to 830PM have developed calloused ears to save us from the “boredom of flowery speeches” and take for granted the propaganda value of these reminders of the royals’ countless (good) deeds that we don’t even consider whether they do have and will continue to have that enduring effect on the intended subjects to possess securely the belief that the emperor does indeed wear clothes.  

I do find in particular the tone of Plate’s comments haughty and condescending, in this passage:

&quot;One rests happily when American nonprofits honor geniuses or freedom fighters or even the otherwise disenfranchised. But kings -- or queens for that matter -- would seem to need no honorific welfare from American nonprofits. Generally, they can get along just fine on their own, especially those with the power to eject elected governments.&quot;

I do not pretend to know the real truth whether HM “has the power to eject elected governments” nor justify in the least these allegations. If they are true, anything that runs against democratic principles should be condemned.  But it is not for Plate to take the moral high ground and criticize the “honorific welfare” when in his very own society, its own leaders run a government whose “democratic institutions” continue to be upheld blindly (&amp; affirmed) by its people even when they are involved in bloody and illegal wars of occupation and subverting anyone else who is not with them in their grand policy for hegemonic control of the world.  

Unfortunately, Thailand doesn’t have the resources (e.g. influential Thai newpapers, blogs, intelligence services) to counter negative propaganda against its revered institutions.  It doesn’t cost much to generate a counteraction against someone who had the gall to call the US a “useless friend”.   It takes only finding and suborning the “right” disaffected people and with sophisticated planning pull off something that would appear to fit everbody’s purposes and most of all, come out with clean hands.  Although these statements may strike as conspiracist, so be it until someday when the evidence is unearthed.
 
I secretly imagine having Plate the recipient of Samak’s vulgar retort that his writing is indicative of a toe sized brain (never mind that the Prime Minister gets more international exposure as a Neanderthal), or to be in the receiving end of Thai berserk rage (for his insult of HM) screaming, “you murdering bunker buster terrorist bombers, baby killers, leave us alone”!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found Plate’s comments shallow and cursory.  Nevertheless, he has indeed pointed out in earnest the same things many in New Mandala feel,  i.e,  the well rehearsed allusions to the anachronism of the royal Thai institution that so repulses some (if not many) NM contributors.  But those of us exposed daily to the devoted nightly news segment on Thai TV between 8PM to 830PM have developed calloused ears to save us from the “boredom of flowery speeches” and take for granted the propaganda value of these reminders of the royals’ countless (good) deeds that we don’t even consider whether they do have and will continue to have that enduring effect on the intended subjects to possess securely the belief that the emperor does indeed wear clothes.  </p>
<p>I do find in particular the tone of Plate’s comments haughty and condescending, in this passage:</p>
<p>&#8220;One rests happily when American nonprofits honor geniuses or freedom fighters or even the otherwise disenfranchised. But kings &#8212; or queens for that matter &#8212; would seem to need no honorific welfare from American nonprofits. Generally, they can get along just fine on their own, especially those with the power to eject elected governments.&#8221;</p>
<p>I do not pretend to know the real truth whether HM “has the power to eject elected governments” nor justify in the least these allegations. If they are true, anything that runs against democratic principles should be condemned.  But it is not for Plate to take the moral high ground and criticize the “honorific welfare” when in his very own society, its own leaders run a government whose “democratic institutions” continue to be upheld blindly (&amp; affirmed) by its people even when they are involved in bloody and illegal wars of occupation and subverting anyone else who is not with them in their grand policy for hegemonic control of the world.  </p>
<p>Unfortunately, Thailand doesn’t have the resources (e.g. influential Thai newpapers, blogs, intelligence services) to counter negative propaganda against its revered institutions.  It doesn’t cost much to generate a counteraction against someone who had the gall to call the US a “useless friend”.   It takes only finding and suborning the “right” disaffected people and with sophisticated planning pull off something that would appear to fit everbody’s purposes and most of all, come out with clean hands.  Although these statements may strike as conspiracist, so be it until someday when the evidence is unearthed.</p>
<p>I secretly imagine having Plate the recipient of Samak’s vulgar retort that his writing is indicative of a toe sized brain (never mind that the Prime Minister gets more international exposure as a Neanderthal), or to be in the receiving end of Thai berserk rage (for his insult of HM) screaming, “you murdering bunker buster terrorist bombers, baby killers, leave us alone”!</p>
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		<title>By: Dog Lover</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dog Lover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 11:35:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jonfernquest continues to say that there are all manner of good things that come to pass frfom EWC-Thailand connections. But that is not the point of Plate&#039;s piece. He says that too. He asks other questions. Plate does well to ask these questions of EWC and of the royalists. Let&#039;s see more of this questioning in the mainstream media.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jonfernquest continues to say that there are all manner of good things that come to pass frfom EWC-Thailand connections. But that is not the point of Plate&#8217;s piece. He says that too. He asks other questions. Plate does well to ask these questions of EWC and of the royalists. Let&#8217;s see more of this questioning in the mainstream media.</p>
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		<title>By: Bangkok Pundit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bangkok Pundit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 13:16:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found this excerpt &quot;thoroughly divisive&quot;:

&quot;But even so, somehow the whole event left a taste in the mouth that one doesn&#039;t ordinarily associate with things Thai. Democracy is not the one-size fits all formula for all, and as mentioned, the elected Thaksin was no second coming of Thomas Jefferson. But removed as the prime minister had been by the force of arms, the East-West Center&#039;s bow to the king seemed odd. One rests happily when American nonprofits honor geniuses or freedom fighters or even the otherwise disenfranchised. But kings -- or queens for that matter -- would seem to need no honorific welfare from American nonprofits. Generally, they can get along just fine on their own, especially those with the power to eject elected governments.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found this excerpt &#8220;thoroughly divisive&#8221;:</p>
<p>&#8220;But even so, somehow the whole event left a taste in the mouth that one doesn&#8217;t ordinarily associate with things Thai. Democracy is not the one-size fits all formula for all, and as mentioned, the elected Thaksin was no second coming of Thomas Jefferson. But removed as the prime minister had been by the force of arms, the East-West Center&#8217;s bow to the king seemed odd. One rests happily when American nonprofits honor geniuses or freedom fighters or even the otherwise disenfranchised. But kings &#8212; or queens for that matter &#8212; would seem to need no honorific welfare from American nonprofits. Generally, they can get along just fine on their own, especially those with the power to eject elected governments.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: jonfernquest</title>
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		<dc:creator>jonfernquest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 12:13:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would use the words &quot;rambling&quot; and &quot;stream of thought&quot; to describe this op-ed piece by Tom Plate, not &quot;informative&quot; or &quot;factual.&quot;

If all the good things that have resulted from the long-term relation between Thailand and the East-West Center as well as the University of Hawaii over what must be several decades were thoroughly documented and only one google query  away from Tom Plate, maybe his op-ed piece would be different.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would use the words &#8220;rambling&#8221; and &#8220;stream of thought&#8221; to describe this op-ed piece by Tom Plate, not &#8220;informative&#8221; or &#8220;factual.&#8221;</p>
<p>If all the good things that have resulted from the long-term relation between Thailand and the East-West Center as well as the University of Hawaii over what must be several decades were thoroughly documented and only one google query  away from Tom Plate, maybe his op-ed piece would be different.</p>
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		<title>By: Grasshopper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grasshopper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 05:49:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Diaries of Tom Plate, now playing near you alongside the squeaks of a very small violin played by a mouse in a sari. I can see why he only references English language papers in his personal work history. Thoroughly demagogic of him. A writer for expats. 

This article seemed fairly myopic and more of a personal complaint. If personal complaints are insights I should start a blog and call it &#039;listen to me!, live my way or I shall ...&#039; The &#039;...&#039;  would be the preface for each blog post. Tom Plate&#039;s would be &#039;listen to me! I go to functions where I am bored and empty. I then translate these feelings into articles!!!&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Diaries of Tom Plate, now playing near you alongside the squeaks of a very small violin played by a mouse in a sari. I can see why he only references English language papers in his personal work history. Thoroughly demagogic of him. A writer for expats. </p>
<p>This article seemed fairly myopic and more of a personal complaint. If personal complaints are insights I should start a blog and call it &#8216;listen to me!, live my way or I shall &#8230;&#8217; The &#8216;&#8230;&#8217;  would be the preface for each blog post. Tom Plate&#8217;s would be &#8216;listen to me! I go to functions where I am bored and empty. I then translate these feelings into articles!!!&#8217;</p>
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