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		<title>By: Catherine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Catherine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 17:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just cannot leave the web site without adding a comment. BTW, I am a more Social thinker rather than a Political one.

I am a Burmese who hates Military regime from my guts. I simply hate them for their injustice towards Burmese citizines, for their selfishness and for their cold heart.

Yet, regarding the main issue in this reality, I still think their generations still deserve the Aus education.

Let me quote this one from the web.

&quot;Getting them up close and personal to the disgust that their parents generate among thinking Australians may encourage some self reflection.&quot;

Well.......though it is hopeless to open up the eyes and the  hearts of their brutel parents, it is still hopeful to those who have not been practised to cruelty.

Let them EXPERIENCE the prosperity of other countries, Let them THINK, Let them REFLECT, and Let them MAKE A CHAGE.

Remember, not all are &quot;like-father-like-son&quot; for neither all your personalities nor your thinkings are Genetic, they can be greatly influenced by the Environment you are in. 

At the same time, we cannot allow them just to have only PRIMARY EDUCATION LEVEL as their parents do.

In addition, I can never accept that &quot;WE-Burmese&quot; do not deserve the Aus AID only because we are under Military Regime.

What&#039;s the point here? What has going on? Where has Mr. Rudd farsighted vision gone?

Come On! We need you more than others do!

We are just ruled under unfortunate military regime, yet, remember that we are not all militaries.
We are just ruled under unfortunate military regime, yet, remember that we still in the list of the Third-World countries.
We are just unfortunate enough to belong to &quot;Bangladish or Bhutan&quot;, yet we still belongs to Burma.  

Aren&#039;t we deserve the equal opportunity too?

There are also (non-military) many prospective good leaders in Burma, who are hungry for the chances. 

Don&#039;t we need (non-military) HIGHLY-EDUCATED burmese young generations, just in case, there are_ like-father-like-son inherited INHUMANE leaders, who you cannot proclude from your expensive universities? How will we make a challange to those HIGHLY-EDUCATED, INHUMANE leaders, if we do not have enough HIGHLY-EDUCATED Burmese Young Generations who cannot mainly effort your expensive education, unless your Scholarship.

Don&#039;t we need the same level of education if we want to make a Challange? Who will listen our Voices attentively in these days if we do not hold a degree from a Country like YOU, Oz?

It is out of the question that those Wealthy Military will surely buy the degrees for their children from the Wealthy Countries like you.

So, I will insist that since YOU cannot stop the Military&#039;s sons-and-daughter naurished from your Advanced Education, should not YOU invites more talanted, prospective and non-wealthy ordinary Burmese students to get the same nourish from YOU, if YOU really want to see the Bright Future of Burma.

Humbly, We need YOUR HELP to step out from gap and won&#039;t it be a dignity to You to make such a POSITIVE CHANGE. 

May there be Justice and let the Judged rules the Nations!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just cannot leave the web site without adding a comment. BTW, I am a more Social thinker rather than a Political one.</p>
<p>I am a Burmese who hates Military regime from my guts. I simply hate them for their injustice towards Burmese citizines, for their selfishness and for their cold heart.</p>
<p>Yet, regarding the main issue in this reality, I still think their generations still deserve the Aus education.</p>
<p>Let me quote this one from the web.</p>
<p>&#8220;Getting them up close and personal to the disgust that their parents generate among thinking Australians may encourage some self reflection.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well&#8230;&#8230;.though it is hopeless to open up the eyes and the  hearts of their brutel parents, it is still hopeful to those who have not been practised to cruelty.</p>
<p>Let them EXPERIENCE the prosperity of other countries, Let them THINK, Let them REFLECT, and Let them MAKE A CHAGE.</p>
<p>Remember, not all are &#8220;like-father-like-son&#8221; for neither all your personalities nor your thinkings are Genetic, they can be greatly influenced by the Environment you are in. </p>
<p>At the same time, we cannot allow them just to have only PRIMARY EDUCATION LEVEL as their parents do.</p>
<p>In addition, I can never accept that &#8220;WE-Burmese&#8221; do not deserve the Aus AID only because we are under Military Regime.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s the point here? What has going on? Where has Mr. Rudd farsighted vision gone?</p>
<p>Come On! We need you more than others do!</p>
<p>We are just ruled under unfortunate military regime, yet, remember that we are not all militaries.<br />
We are just ruled under unfortunate military regime, yet, remember that we still in the list of the Third-World countries.<br />
We are just unfortunate enough to belong to &#8220;Bangladish or Bhutan&#8221;, yet we still belongs to Burma.  </p>
<p>Aren&#8217;t we deserve the equal opportunity too?</p>
<p>There are also (non-military) many prospective good leaders in Burma, who are hungry for the chances. </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t we need (non-military) HIGHLY-EDUCATED burmese young generations, just in case, there are_ like-father-like-son inherited INHUMANE leaders, who you cannot proclude from your expensive universities? How will we make a challange to those HIGHLY-EDUCATED, INHUMANE leaders, if we do not have enough HIGHLY-EDUCATED Burmese Young Generations who cannot mainly effort your expensive education, unless your Scholarship.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t we need the same level of education if we want to make a Challange? Who will listen our Voices attentively in these days if we do not hold a degree from a Country like YOU, Oz?</p>
<p>It is out of the question that those Wealthy Military will surely buy the degrees for their children from the Wealthy Countries like you.</p>
<p>So, I will insist that since YOU cannot stop the Military&#8217;s sons-and-daughter naurished from your Advanced Education, should not YOU invites more talanted, prospective and non-wealthy ordinary Burmese students to get the same nourish from YOU, if YOU really want to see the Bright Future of Burma.</p>
<p>Humbly, We need YOUR HELP to step out from gap and won&#8217;t it be a dignity to You to make such a POSITIVE CHANGE. </p>
<p>May there be Justice and let the Judged rules the Nations!</p>
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		<title>By: Hla Oo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hla Oo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 01:52:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is one respected regional university which accepts bright Burmese students and provides scholarships to them without any consideration to who their parents are or what their political aspirations are. 

The only criterion the university considers for the admission are the prospective student&#039;s undergrad academic qualifications and his or her work experiences in the related fields. 

The university is called Asian Institute of Technology  in Thailand and she has been providing hundreds of young Burmese free post-graduate education for over four decades now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is one respected regional university which accepts bright Burmese students and provides scholarships to them without any consideration to who their parents are or what their political aspirations are. </p>
<p>The only criterion the university considers for the admission are the prospective student&#8217;s undergrad academic qualifications and his or her work experiences in the related fields. </p>
<p>The university is called Asian Institute of Technology  in Thailand and she has been providing hundreds of young Burmese free post-graduate education for over four decades now.</p>
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		<title>By: Moe Aung</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moe Aung</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 22:43:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gee thanks, Dan,  for putting your life on the line and telling us like it is. I&#039;m not worthy. When&#039;s your book coming out BTW?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gee thanks, Dan,  for putting your life on the line and telling us like it is. I&#8217;m not worthy. When&#8217;s your book coming out BTW?</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Pedersen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel Pedersen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 16:41:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was just trying to give you firsthand information that, as self credited Burma experts, you might like to consider.
I know it&#039;s not the first battle and I know damn well it&#039;s not going to be the last.
Why don&#039;t you put your life on the line instead of tapping away at your keyboard in comfort?
And what is the price of fish at the moment mate?
Or salt?
Or petrol?
You wouldn&#039;t know would you, because you&#039;re not here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was just trying to give you firsthand information that, as self credited Burma experts, you might like to consider.<br />
I know it&#8217;s not the first battle and I know damn well it&#8217;s not going to be the last.<br />
Why don&#8217;t you put your life on the line instead of tapping away at your keyboard in comfort?<br />
And what is the price of fish at the moment mate?<br />
Or salt?<br />
Or petrol?<br />
You wouldn&#8217;t know would you, because you&#8217;re not here.</p>
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		<title>By: Moe Aung</title>
		<link>http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2008/05/19/time-for-ausaid-to-rethink-burma/comment-page-1/#comment-495527</link>
		<dc:creator>Moe Aung</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 22:50:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Daniel Pedersen, what&#039;s that got to do with the price of fish? Have they signposted you wrong?  It wasn&#039;t the first battle and it&#039;s not gonna be the last.

Back to topic, anecdotally albeit this involved the former first family, Sandar Win, under house arrest and the favourite daughter of the late strongman Ne Win, also an army doctor herself, failed her English language exam to get into a UK postgraduate programme. She was the one who tried to step into her father&#039;s shoes whereas the others did not. Two other daughters, also doctors, not by the same mother,  had settled in the UK, and Sandar&#039;s brother Phyo left to live and work abroad for Schlumberger even earlier. Maybe it was the difference in experience, maybe just their personalities differ. They certainly were all privileged.

Even the so-called boat people may be regarded the lucky ones since they can afford a passage thanks to their savings or a loan, unlike the majority. It could all end in tears however like the Chinese who suffocated in a truck at Dover, the Burmese en route to Thailand more recently,  or the Chinese that drowned in Morecombe Bay picking cockles.

I&#039;d say the devil&#039;s spawn deserve no benefit of the doubt so long as their own people are denied a  decent basic education - a fundamental right, let alone other life opportunities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daniel Pedersen, what&#8217;s that got to do with the price of fish? Have they signposted you wrong?  It wasn&#8217;t the first battle and it&#8217;s not gonna be the last.</p>
<p>Back to topic, anecdotally albeit this involved the former first family, Sandar Win, under house arrest and the favourite daughter of the late strongman Ne Win, also an army doctor herself, failed her English language exam to get into a UK postgraduate programme. She was the one who tried to step into her father&#8217;s shoes whereas the others did not. Two other daughters, also doctors, not by the same mother,  had settled in the UK, and Sandar&#8217;s brother Phyo left to live and work abroad for Schlumberger even earlier. Maybe it was the difference in experience, maybe just their personalities differ. They certainly were all privileged.</p>
<p>Even the so-called boat people may be regarded the lucky ones since they can afford a passage thanks to their savings or a loan, unlike the majority. It could all end in tears however like the Chinese who suffocated in a truck at Dover, the Burmese en route to Thailand more recently,  or the Chinese that drowned in Morecombe Bay picking cockles.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d say the devil&#8217;s spawn deserve no benefit of the doubt so long as their own people are denied a  decent basic education &#8211; a fundamental right, let alone other life opportunities.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Pedersen</title>
		<link>http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2008/05/19/time-for-ausaid-to-rethink-burma/comment-page-1/#comment-495311</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Pedersen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 16:31:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Karen State, Burma

On Sunday (June 29) at dusk rebel fighters of the Karen National Liberation Army (KNLA) unloaded guns from the back of a pickup.
The guns were destined for Burma and were leaving Thai territory.
They will be used to fight soldiers of Burma’s ruling military junta.
The guns were run in a two-pickup convoy from south of Mae Sot to north of Mae Sariang.
One of guerilla group’s lieutenants spoke of his army’s desperate bid to stop construction of three major hydropower projects along the wild and untamed Salween River.
“We have to stop construction of these dams, we must stop them,” said one of Colonel Nerdah Mya’s aides, Timu.
Timu is a soldier of the Karen National Liberation Army (KNLA), the armed wing of the Karen National Union political bloc formed in 1947 and holding out against the overwhelming military force of Burma’s ruling State Peace and Development Council (SPDC).
The SPDC troops number about 500,000, the KNLA about 10,000.
The dams will create vast reservoirs that will inundate lands the KNLA calls its own.
Building the dams is a win-win scenario for the SPDC generals.
The hydropower that is produced will be sold across the border in Thailand, generating revenue for an incredibly rich elite military class.
And territory friendly to the rebels who fight their soldiers will be rendered impassable.
As the Salween bloats lands friendly to the rebels, weeks of walking will be added to journeys traversing thick jungle paths that now take a day.
The Salween River is home to more than 7,000 species of plants and 80 rare or endangered animals and fish.
UNESCO says it “may be the most biologically diverse temperate ecosystem in the world”.
It was designated a World Heritage Site in 2003.
Slave labour is being used to build the dams.
Maps from the Thailand Burmese Border Consortium (TBBC) show locations of forced relocation encampments where terrified and displaced villagers have been corralled.
They are all clustered around major infrastructure projects the generals oversee as they gather wealth incomprehensible to just about any Burmese citizen.
At gunpoint, the population of these camps is forced to labour, working to build dams that will flood their former homes and possibly drown their aspirations of independence.
The TBBC’s Leonard Buckles believes the Salween dams may well be the end for the Karen and their fight.
“The political wing is dead,” he said, in the Thai-Burma frontier town of Mae Sot.
Mr Buckles believes his organisation’s donors are more likely to support action inside Burma, dealing directly with the generals to try and force political and military reform while still providing humanitarian aid to those who need it most.
Australian Chris Clifford, a field worker for the TBBC, sighs as he speaks of ‘donor fatigue’ and the reduced calorie counts being allotted to displaced people seeking refuge in Thailand.
He says funding is gradually being withdrawn from the camps and one day soon there will be nothing to sustain people who have languished in the camps for almost a quarter of a century.
Mr Buckles speaks of exit strategies for donors, tired by the intransigence of the SPDC generals.
Yet some of the refugee camps’ residents were born in limbo, and have known nothing else other than boredom and pregnancy.
After delivery of the guns on Sunday night, the Karen soldiers sang sorrowful war songs as we made our way home, safe on Thai territory.
Less than four hours after our arrival in the Thai frontier town of Mae Sot, at about 1am, to the south all hell had broken loose.
A pitched battle lasting all of this week (from June 30 until July 6) between soldiers of Burma’s ruling military junta and the Karen National Liberation Army had left scores dead. 
There has been a significant escalation in fighting between units of Burma’s State Peace and Development Council and soldiers of the KNLA opposite the northern Thailand province of Tak.
A major push by the SPDC to take a long-standing base camp of the KNLA, the headquarters of its Sixth Brigade 201st battalion has been thwarted, for now.
The SPDC offensive to take Wah Lay Kee, launched from Thai territory, began at 5am Monday (June 30).
That the SPDC soldiers were prepared to intrude on Thai sovereignty is an indication of how determined they were to take the KNLA camp.
And they did.
But by evening they had lost it again, and 200 SPDC soldiers had been surrounded by four KNLA units of between 10 and 30 men.
The KNLA dug in close in heavy jungle, one group about 20 metres away from their enemies.
Both sides have taken heavy casualties as a result of landmines.
The fighting took place around a peninsula of Thai land that juts into Burma known as Phop Phra.
Phop Phra is an eccentricity of border demarcation between these two Southeast Asian nations.
The KNLA on Wednesday (July 2) seized a 50-calibre Browning machine-gun, the type usually mounted on top of armoured vehicles.
A 50-calibre Browning can cut buildings to pieces.
Yesterday there were 50 SPDC soldiers dead, including the commander of Light Infantry Battalion 410, Aung May Zaw.
While the SPDC took responsibility for Monday’s initial assault, light units of the Democratic Karen Buddhist Army, a slave militia, eventually backed them.
Mae Sot General Hospital, on Thai territory, is today full of casualties from all sides.
Yesterday morning (Friday, July 4), three DKBA soldiers stepped on landmines and two SPDC soldiers were shot, but not killed.
All sides in this protracted conflict use landmines extensively
There were dead on both sides just hours after the SPDC launched the offensive against Wah Lay Kee on Monday morning (June 30).
By the next day 16 SPDC soldiers were dead, 13 had fled to Thailand and were in the hands of the Thai military.
A KNLA soldier was dead, two wounded and soldiers of the DKBA and KNLA soldiers were lying in beds close to one another at Mae Sot General Hospital, eyeing each other off.
One porter, seized at gunpoint from a nearby village by SPDC troops, had his leg amputated in the same hospital, another innocent victim of the world’s longest-running insurgency.
This latest battle, the heaviest of recent months, constitutes a major diplomatic incident.
On Wednesday evening (July 2), senior Thai army officials attempted mediation between the KNLA, SPDC and DKBA, but to no avail.
On Thursday night (July 3) Aung May Zaw, the overseer of a mortar unit essentially rendered useless because KNLA guerillas were so close to the SPDC units, was killed by KNLA snipers using AK RPDs.
This does not augur well for mediation.
On Friday (July 4) afternoon the KNLA were re-supplied with M-79 grenades and RPGs for their ageing weapons and were preparing to defend their precarious position in their bid for independence that began in 1949.
ENDS</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karen State, Burma</p>
<p>On Sunday (June 29) at dusk rebel fighters of the Karen National Liberation Army (KNLA) unloaded guns from the back of a pickup.<br />
The guns were destined for Burma and were leaving Thai territory.<br />
They will be used to fight soldiers of Burma’s ruling military junta.<br />
The guns were run in a two-pickup convoy from south of Mae Sot to north of Mae Sariang.<br />
One of guerilla group’s lieutenants spoke of his army’s desperate bid to stop construction of three major hydropower projects along the wild and untamed Salween River.<br />
“We have to stop construction of these dams, we must stop them,” said one of Colonel Nerdah Mya’s aides, Timu.<br />
Timu is a soldier of the Karen National Liberation Army (KNLA), the armed wing of the Karen National Union political bloc formed in 1947 and holding out against the overwhelming military force of Burma’s ruling State Peace and Development Council (SPDC).<br />
The SPDC troops number about 500,000, the KNLA about 10,000.<br />
The dams will create vast reservoirs that will inundate lands the KNLA calls its own.<br />
Building the dams is a win-win scenario for the SPDC generals.<br />
The hydropower that is produced will be sold across the border in Thailand, generating revenue for an incredibly rich elite military class.<br />
And territory friendly to the rebels who fight their soldiers will be rendered impassable.<br />
As the Salween bloats lands friendly to the rebels, weeks of walking will be added to journeys traversing thick jungle paths that now take a day.<br />
The Salween River is home to more than 7,000 species of plants and 80 rare or endangered animals and fish.<br />
UNESCO says it “may be the most biologically diverse temperate ecosystem in the world”.<br />
It was designated a World Heritage Site in 2003.<br />
Slave labour is being used to build the dams.<br />
Maps from the Thailand Burmese Border Consortium (TBBC) show locations of forced relocation encampments where terrified and displaced villagers have been corralled.<br />
They are all clustered around major infrastructure projects the generals oversee as they gather wealth incomprehensible to just about any Burmese citizen.<br />
At gunpoint, the population of these camps is forced to labour, working to build dams that will flood their former homes and possibly drown their aspirations of independence.<br />
The TBBC’s Leonard Buckles believes the Salween dams may well be the end for the Karen and their fight.<br />
“The political wing is dead,” he said, in the Thai-Burma frontier town of Mae Sot.<br />
Mr Buckles believes his organisation’s donors are more likely to support action inside Burma, dealing directly with the generals to try and force political and military reform while still providing humanitarian aid to those who need it most.<br />
Australian Chris Clifford, a field worker for the TBBC, sighs as he speaks of ‘donor fatigue’ and the reduced calorie counts being allotted to displaced people seeking refuge in Thailand.<br />
He says funding is gradually being withdrawn from the camps and one day soon there will be nothing to sustain people who have languished in the camps for almost a quarter of a century.<br />
Mr Buckles speaks of exit strategies for donors, tired by the intransigence of the SPDC generals.<br />
Yet some of the refugee camps’ residents were born in limbo, and have known nothing else other than boredom and pregnancy.<br />
After delivery of the guns on Sunday night, the Karen soldiers sang sorrowful war songs as we made our way home, safe on Thai territory.<br />
Less than four hours after our arrival in the Thai frontier town of Mae Sot, at about 1am, to the south all hell had broken loose.<br />
A pitched battle lasting all of this week (from June 30 until July 6) between soldiers of Burma’s ruling military junta and the Karen National Liberation Army had left scores dead.<br />
There has been a significant escalation in fighting between units of Burma’s State Peace and Development Council and soldiers of the KNLA opposite the northern Thailand province of Tak.<br />
A major push by the SPDC to take a long-standing base camp of the KNLA, the headquarters of its Sixth Brigade 201st battalion has been thwarted, for now.<br />
The SPDC offensive to take Wah Lay Kee, launched from Thai territory, began at 5am Monday (June 30).<br />
That the SPDC soldiers were prepared to intrude on Thai sovereignty is an indication of how determined they were to take the KNLA camp.<br />
And they did.<br />
But by evening they had lost it again, and 200 SPDC soldiers had been surrounded by four KNLA units of between 10 and 30 men.<br />
The KNLA dug in close in heavy jungle, one group about 20 metres away from their enemies.<br />
Both sides have taken heavy casualties as a result of landmines.<br />
The fighting took place around a peninsula of Thai land that juts into Burma known as Phop Phra.<br />
Phop Phra is an eccentricity of border demarcation between these two Southeast Asian nations.<br />
The KNLA on Wednesday (July 2) seized a 50-calibre Browning machine-gun, the type usually mounted on top of armoured vehicles.<br />
A 50-calibre Browning can cut buildings to pieces.<br />
Yesterday there were 50 SPDC soldiers dead, including the commander of Light Infantry Battalion 410, Aung May Zaw.<br />
While the SPDC took responsibility for Monday’s initial assault, light units of the Democratic Karen Buddhist Army, a slave militia, eventually backed them.<br />
Mae Sot General Hospital, on Thai territory, is today full of casualties from all sides.<br />
Yesterday morning (Friday, July 4), three DKBA soldiers stepped on landmines and two SPDC soldiers were shot, but not killed.<br />
All sides in this protracted conflict use landmines extensively<br />
There were dead on both sides just hours after the SPDC launched the offensive against Wah Lay Kee on Monday morning (June 30).<br />
By the next day 16 SPDC soldiers were dead, 13 had fled to Thailand and were in the hands of the Thai military.<br />
A KNLA soldier was dead, two wounded and soldiers of the DKBA and KNLA soldiers were lying in beds close to one another at Mae Sot General Hospital, eyeing each other off.<br />
One porter, seized at gunpoint from a nearby village by SPDC troops, had his leg amputated in the same hospital, another innocent victim of the world’s longest-running insurgency.<br />
This latest battle, the heaviest of recent months, constitutes a major diplomatic incident.<br />
On Wednesday evening (July 2), senior Thai army officials attempted mediation between the KNLA, SPDC and DKBA, but to no avail.<br />
On Thursday night (July 3) Aung May Zaw, the overseer of a mortar unit essentially rendered useless because KNLA guerillas were so close to the SPDC units, was killed by KNLA snipers using AK RPDs.<br />
This does not augur well for mediation.<br />
On Friday (July 4) afternoon the KNLA were re-supplied with M-79 grenades and RPGs for their ageing weapons and were preparing to defend their precarious position in their bid for independence that began in 1949.<br />
ENDS</p>
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		<title>By: War Monger</title>
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		<dc:creator>War Monger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 15:06:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Andrew, I for one agree with you. Perhaps you are naive. While there is no doubt quality education yields fantastic potential. You are suggesting these children have never had time for &quot;self-reflection&quot;? They are well past that age when they get to you, despite what you may conclude by observing college age behavior. 

While education CAN lead to a higher sense of moral justice, it has never stopped the corrupt and those seeking to exploit others more informed about how to go about doing just that. 

But than again, if you think yourself such a fantastic instructor that you can overpower such family influence (you do know we are talking aout the Burma junta right?), by all means - why aren&#039;t you healing the sick and raising the dead?

Sorry, perhaps that went too far. But seriously, please enlighten us who know a little about education on just how you could pull such a feat off.

I&#039;m a little lost for words that you would public with such a statement.

I do in deed share you faith in education, perhaps you should have left it at that. 

Besides, I fully agree with burmaeconomicwatch. No university should accept blood money. But we are a long way from getting to a sense a moral justice when it comes to that aren&#039;t we? We still separate ourselves from the realities of globalization - including the most educated among us. 

You have touched upon the beginning of a vast topic. I&#039;m stopping here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Andrew, I for one agree with you. Perhaps you are naive. While there is no doubt quality education yields fantastic potential. You are suggesting these children have never had time for &#8220;self-reflection&#8221;? They are well past that age when they get to you, despite what you may conclude by observing college age behavior. </p>
<p>While education CAN lead to a higher sense of moral justice, it has never stopped the corrupt and those seeking to exploit others more informed about how to go about doing just that. </p>
<p>But than again, if you think yourself such a fantastic instructor that you can overpower such family influence (you do know we are talking aout the Burma junta right?), by all means &#8211; why aren&#8217;t you healing the sick and raising the dead?</p>
<p>Sorry, perhaps that went too far. But seriously, please enlighten us who know a little about education on just how you could pull such a feat off.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a little lost for words that you would public with such a statement.</p>
<p>I do in deed share you faith in education, perhaps you should have left it at that. </p>
<p>Besides, I fully agree with burmaeconomicwatch. No university should accept blood money. But we are a long way from getting to a sense a moral justice when it comes to that aren&#8217;t we? We still separate ourselves from the realities of globalization &#8211; including the most educated among us. </p>
<p>You have touched upon the beginning of a vast topic. I&#8217;m stopping here.</p>
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		<title>By: burmaeconomicwatch</title>
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		<dc:creator>burmaeconomicwatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 05:04:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are many others associated with the regime studying at Australian universities and colleges than were named in the SMH articles.  There is one point that I would like to made that has been missed in the above discussion.

Where do these people get their money from to pay for courses in Australia?  They have stolen it!  Many of the families of the regime are very wealthy.  They are wealthy as they have used their positions to steal from the state and the people of the country.  The minister of say forestry gets rich by selling the resources of the country.   The minister of fishing (or whatever long winded title taht ministry has) gets rich from selling concessions or from having monopoly access to resources in certain areas. Commanders in areas, also grap access to resources.  The funds from the sales or control do not go into the government budget where it is used to finance health care and eductation.  It goes into the bank accounts and assets of individuals in the position of power.  

Where is all the money from gas? WHere is all the money from the timber? Where is all the money from gems and jade? Where is all the money from fishing concessions? Where is all the money from pearl concessions?  It is not in the governments budget.  It has gone elsewhere.  Guess where?  Maybe it was used to build that stupid new city Naypidaw.  

Some of those studying in AUstralia are here also from drug and weapons money. There are people studying here whose parents come from the Wa and Kokang areas.  One of these students stated &quot;My father did not make his money from drugs.  He made it from weapons.&quot;  It was obvious that a so called liberal education had not made much of an impact on his poor brain.  

When someone is convicted of a criminal activity in Australia, say drugs, theft, weapon sales, prostitution, then their assets are seized.  We dont say OK your family can keep all that ill-gotten wealth.  Hey spend it on your children.  Send them to very good private schools and the best universities, then they wont be criminals like their parents. 

ALso many person convicted of criminal activites and in some cases not convicted but suspected are not let into Australia, even on a tourist visa.  Who is saying oh gee let them come and see how wonderful, people who are not criminals live their lives.  Albeit the off-spring do not inherit the sins of the parents, but they should not benefit from their sins.  Is anyone going to tell me that the funds paying for regime students to come to Australia are not ill-gotten that they came from hard work and entrepreneurship?

I am not against people from Burma coming to Australia. I am not against wealthy people from Burma coming to study at Australian universities.  I am against anyone from anywhere, whose parents have amassed wealth by theft, crime, corruption from coming here to study.  This is a form of money laundering.  I dont care if they are from Burma or anywhere else frankly.  An ordinary criminal with substantail ill-gotton assets i.e. one who is not in charge of the state have much less opportunities to launder their funds via the australian education system.  Why should criminals in charge of the state be allowed to launder their funds?

Let them go to Singapore and launder their funds!

Burma is not going to develop by letting in the off-spring of the regime.  Education is necessary for any country to develop.  This is not the same as a few off-spring of criminals getting an education in AUstralia, Singapore or anywhere else.  Burma needs an education system for those in the country.  It needs first and foremost a system and a situation where the majority of kids can complete a primary school education, where they learn basic literacy and numeracy skills.  The focus on university education for a few overseas is misplaced and will have no impact on development in the country.  The main job for education that will promote development is for kids to finish at least 6 years of primary school.  This does not happen in Burma, because many people are too poor to be able to afford to send their kids to school.  There are not enough well trained teachers, who are paid enough to bother teaching well.  (This is not to insult the many teachers who work hard each day).  There are virtually no resources being invested in the country&#039;s primary school education system.  Many children do not have enough to eat to concentrate on school.  They are anemic and malnourshed.  They do not have pencils, they do not have writing paper. They probably dont even have a candle to read by at night.  They have to work to help their parents.  The stupid statistics of the regime aside.  This is the educational problem for Burma, not educating the over-indulged off-spring of the regime.  

there are also plenty of young people still languishing in refugee camps, who might like to go to any university.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are many others associated with the regime studying at Australian universities and colleges than were named in the SMH articles.  There is one point that I would like to made that has been missed in the above discussion.</p>
<p>Where do these people get their money from to pay for courses in Australia?  They have stolen it!  Many of the families of the regime are very wealthy.  They are wealthy as they have used their positions to steal from the state and the people of the country.  The minister of say forestry gets rich by selling the resources of the country.   The minister of fishing (or whatever long winded title taht ministry has) gets rich from selling concessions or from having monopoly access to resources in certain areas. Commanders in areas, also grap access to resources.  The funds from the sales or control do not go into the government budget where it is used to finance health care and eductation.  It goes into the bank accounts and assets of individuals in the position of power.  </p>
<p>Where is all the money from gas? WHere is all the money from the timber? Where is all the money from gems and jade? Where is all the money from fishing concessions? Where is all the money from pearl concessions?  It is not in the governments budget.  It has gone elsewhere.  Guess where?  Maybe it was used to build that stupid new city Naypidaw.  </p>
<p>Some of those studying in AUstralia are here also from drug and weapons money. There are people studying here whose parents come from the Wa and Kokang areas.  One of these students stated &#8220;My father did not make his money from drugs.  He made it from weapons.&#8221;  It was obvious that a so called liberal education had not made much of an impact on his poor brain.  </p>
<p>When someone is convicted of a criminal activity in Australia, say drugs, theft, weapon sales, prostitution, then their assets are seized.  We dont say OK your family can keep all that ill-gotten wealth.  Hey spend it on your children.  Send them to very good private schools and the best universities, then they wont be criminals like their parents. </p>
<p>ALso many person convicted of criminal activites and in some cases not convicted but suspected are not let into Australia, even on a tourist visa.  Who is saying oh gee let them come and see how wonderful, people who are not criminals live their lives.  Albeit the off-spring do not inherit the sins of the parents, but they should not benefit from their sins.  Is anyone going to tell me that the funds paying for regime students to come to Australia are not ill-gotten that they came from hard work and entrepreneurship?</p>
<p>I am not against people from Burma coming to Australia. I am not against wealthy people from Burma coming to study at Australian universities.  I am against anyone from anywhere, whose parents have amassed wealth by theft, crime, corruption from coming here to study.  This is a form of money laundering.  I dont care if they are from Burma or anywhere else frankly.  An ordinary criminal with substantail ill-gotton assets i.e. one who is not in charge of the state have much less opportunities to launder their funds via the australian education system.  Why should criminals in charge of the state be allowed to launder their funds?</p>
<p>Let them go to Singapore and launder their funds!</p>
<p>Burma is not going to develop by letting in the off-spring of the regime.  Education is necessary for any country to develop.  This is not the same as a few off-spring of criminals getting an education in AUstralia, Singapore or anywhere else.  Burma needs an education system for those in the country.  It needs first and foremost a system and a situation where the majority of kids can complete a primary school education, where they learn basic literacy and numeracy skills.  The focus on university education for a few overseas is misplaced and will have no impact on development in the country.  The main job for education that will promote development is for kids to finish at least 6 years of primary school.  This does not happen in Burma, because many people are too poor to be able to afford to send their kids to school.  There are not enough well trained teachers, who are paid enough to bother teaching well.  (This is not to insult the many teachers who work hard each day).  There are virtually no resources being invested in the country&#8217;s primary school education system.  Many children do not have enough to eat to concentrate on school.  They are anemic and malnourshed.  They do not have pencils, they do not have writing paper. They probably dont even have a candle to read by at night.  They have to work to help their parents.  The stupid statistics of the regime aside.  This is the educational problem for Burma, not educating the over-indulged off-spring of the regime.  </p>
<p>there are also plenty of young people still languishing in refugee camps, who might like to go to any university.</p>
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		<title>By: thetwinaung</title>
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		<dc:creator>thetwinaung</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 08:13:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear,
          I hope that AusAid will reconsider again the scholarship for burmses citizens who are struggling for development of health and livelihood sector in the country.Otherwise prospect of country development will be delayed again and again.During these periods,due to the NArgis Cyclone,impact on the human resources and national development again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear,<br />
          I hope that AusAid will reconsider again the scholarship for burmses citizens who are struggling for development of health and livelihood sector in the country.Otherwise prospect of country development will be delayed again and again.During these periods,due to the NArgis Cyclone,impact on the human resources and national development again.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 02:12:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>masao imamura wrote:
&gt; Perhaps it is useful to identify several separate questions.
&gt; (1) What should a teacher do? Can a teacher refuse to teach a student on the ground that his or her father is an evil dictator?
&gt; Of course not. 
etc etc

OK, in the spirit of trying to break these issues down ....

Can you separate the granting of a privilege to an evil dictator (ie an elite foreign education for their offspring) from their offpring&#039;s
right to equality in education ? No you can&#039;t. You effectively grant
both, or you grant neither . You have to decide which causes the least
potential harm.

If teaching that offspring had no possible connection to their
countryfolk&#039;s future misery, then I might judge them on their merits
alone, despite their unfair course to my classroom door. Unfortunately, that connection cannot be ruled out. As I said, show me the examples of foreign-educated elites using their privilege for the benefit of their countryfolk, rather than perpetuating the misery inflicted by their parents.

People lose their right to a decent education everyday, mostly by
poverty, exam failure, expulsion due to  misbehaviour, etc. Unfortunately being an ordinary Burmese citizen is also on that list, by virtue of their leaders&#039; decisions. So adding being the spawn of a
leader who perpetuates  such denials on illegitimate bases to that list is hardly an extreme position.

As I asked previously, &quot;Is there no one you would not teach ?&quot;. If you were a doctor (your other example), &quot;Is there no one you would not treat ?&quot;.  Adolf Hitler ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>masao imamura wrote:<br />
&gt; Perhaps it is useful to identify several separate questions.<br />
&gt; (1) What should a teacher do? Can a teacher refuse to teach a student on the ground that his or her father is an evil dictator?<br />
&gt; Of course not.<br />
etc etc</p>
<p>OK, in the spirit of trying to break these issues down &#8230;.</p>
<p>Can you separate the granting of a privilege to an evil dictator (ie an elite foreign education for their offspring) from their offpring&#8217;s<br />
right to equality in education ? No you can&#8217;t. You effectively grant<br />
both, or you grant neither . You have to decide which causes the least<br />
potential harm.</p>
<p>If teaching that offspring had no possible connection to their<br />
countryfolk&#8217;s future misery, then I might judge them on their merits<br />
alone, despite their unfair course to my classroom door. Unfortunately, that connection cannot be ruled out. As I said, show me the examples of foreign-educated elites using their privilege for the benefit of their countryfolk, rather than perpetuating the misery inflicted by their parents.</p>
<p>People lose their right to a decent education everyday, mostly by<br />
poverty, exam failure, expulsion due to  misbehaviour, etc. Unfortunately being an ordinary Burmese citizen is also on that list, by virtue of their leaders&#8217; decisions. So adding being the spawn of a<br />
leader who perpetuates  such denials on illegitimate bases to that list is hardly an extreme position.</p>
<p>As I asked previously, &#8220;Is there no one you would not teach ?&#8221;. If you were a doctor (your other example), &#8220;Is there no one you would not treat ?&#8221;.  Adolf Hitler ?</p>
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