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		<title>By: manning  sawwinner</title>
		<link>http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2008/07/28/i-am-ready-to-fight-the-thais/comment-page-1/#comment-516134</link>
		<dc:creator>manning  sawwinner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 02:32:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My dear Sidh S:  Don&#039;t get so excited.  You know that any cases brought against Thaksin and/or his family in any of the Thai courts are foredoomed.  The verdicts are predetermined even before the judges sit down to pretend to deliberate on the cases.  What Thaksin and his family should do is to seek refuge in another country while there is time to do so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My dear Sidh S:  Don&#8217;t get so excited.  You know that any cases brought against Thaksin and/or his family in any of the Thai courts are foredoomed.  The verdicts are predetermined even before the judges sit down to pretend to deliberate on the cases.  What Thaksin and his family should do is to seek refuge in another country while there is time to do so.</p>
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		<title>By: Sidh S.</title>
		<link>http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2008/07/28/i-am-ready-to-fight-the-thais/comment-page-1/#comment-515635</link>
		<dc:creator>Sidh S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:36:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Khun Manning - a very old suspicion now proven and convicted by the court of law. No &quot;occult rambling&quot; here, only justice being served:

ฟ้าผ่า!ตระกูลชินวัตร สั่งจำคุก &#039;พจมาน&#039; 3 ปี [31 ก.ค. 51 - 10:59] in:
http://www.thairath.co.th/onlineheadnews.html?id=98932

I welcome your comments/analysis on the case (and the long line of cases pending).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Khun Manning &#8211; a very old suspicion now proven and convicted by the court of law. No &#8220;occult rambling&#8221; here, only justice being served:</p>
<p>ฟ้าผ่า!ตระกูลชินวัตร สั่งจำคุก &#8216;พจมาน&#8217; 3 ปี [31 ก.ค. 51 - 10:59] in:<br />
<a href="http://www.thairath.co.th/onlineheadnews.html?id=98932" rel="nofollow">http://www.thairath.co.th/onlineheadnews.html?id=98932</a></p>
<p>I welcome your comments/analysis on the case (and the long line of cases pending).</p>
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		<title>By: manning  sawwinner</title>
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		<dc:creator>manning  sawwinner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:14:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My dear Sidh S:  There you go again with your occult rambling!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My dear Sidh S:  There you go again with your occult rambling!</p>
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		<title>By: Sidh S.</title>
		<link>http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2008/07/28/i-am-ready-to-fight-the-thais/comment-page-1/#comment-515396</link>
		<dc:creator>Sidh S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 12:52:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Khun Manning, I admit that it is only my suspicion - but one that is grounded in past blatant self-serving actions (examples of EXIM Bank load to Burma and also the change of laws/regulations to maximize the profitable sale of ShinCorp - all with enough evidences and grounds to be tried in court). The thing is, I can&#039;t bring myself to believe that FMNoppodol and the whole Samak cabinet are not aware KhaoPhraVihear is a highly contentious issue - especially with the nationalist PAD protest country-wide. Various state agencies and academics have long adviced a joint listing. The process was carried out covertly without any wider participation - which in the end, has proven to be illegal... 

It&#039;s just too fishy not to be profitable for PMThaksin, the puppet master. It is likely that his prior meeting with PMHunsen was to discuss the deal - and the support of the Thai government (only cabinet in this case) for the listing was likely part of it. And most rumours concerning PMThaksin&#039;s corruption and conflicts of interest through the years have proven to be true.

Frankly, I hope to be proven wrong rather than right - but PMThaksin is just... PMThaksin... and rather predictable (Maybe his soothsayer advised that Khao Phra Vihear must be listed for his &#039;luck&#039; to improve? And this is complemented by countrywide merit making tours including to 1,000 monks at Dhammakaya on his birthday?)

Unless, ofcourse, you buy Khun Stima&#039;s argument above that a billionaire like PMThaksin will not corrupt? One I haven&#039;t heard since 2002...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Khun Manning, I admit that it is only my suspicion &#8211; but one that is grounded in past blatant self-serving actions (examples of EXIM Bank load to Burma and also the change of laws/regulations to maximize the profitable sale of ShinCorp &#8211; all with enough evidences and grounds to be tried in court). The thing is, I can&#8217;t bring myself to believe that FMNoppodol and the whole Samak cabinet are not aware KhaoPhraVihear is a highly contentious issue &#8211; especially with the nationalist PAD protest country-wide. Various state agencies and academics have long adviced a joint listing. The process was carried out covertly without any wider participation &#8211; which in the end, has proven to be illegal&#8230; </p>
<p>It&#8217;s just too fishy not to be profitable for PMThaksin, the puppet master. It is likely that his prior meeting with PMHunsen was to discuss the deal &#8211; and the support of the Thai government (only cabinet in this case) for the listing was likely part of it. And most rumours concerning PMThaksin&#8217;s corruption and conflicts of interest through the years have proven to be true.</p>
<p>Frankly, I hope to be proven wrong rather than right &#8211; but PMThaksin is just&#8230; PMThaksin&#8230; and rather predictable (Maybe his soothsayer advised that Khao Phra Vihear must be listed for his &#8216;luck&#8217; to improve? And this is complemented by countrywide merit making tours including to 1,000 monks at Dhammakaya on his birthday?)</p>
<p>Unless, ofcourse, you buy Khun Stima&#8217;s argument above that a billionaire like PMThaksin will not corrupt? One I haven&#8217;t heard since 2002&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: stima</title>
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		<dc:creator>stima</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 08:56:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OH man! what a headache!
Come on, Thaksin is a billionaire, without the two billion dollar he is still a millionaire.... in addition to being a former PRIME MINISTER of thailand,,,,,
Then call him a traiter... for exchange his own country territories for bussiness... way unbelievable.... !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OH man! what a headache!<br />
Come on, Thaksin is a billionaire, without the two billion dollar he is still a millionaire&#8230;. in addition to being a former PRIME MINISTER of thailand,,,,,<br />
Then call him a traiter&#8230; for exchange his own country territories for bussiness&#8230; way unbelievable&#8230;. !</p>
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		<title>By: manning  sawwinner</title>
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		<dc:creator>manning  sawwinner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 01:57:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rest easy, my Khmer friends, we Thais are not going to engage you in a fight.  We love you as fellow human beings.  As to former PM Thaksin, it is unfair to accuse him of any unproven wrongdoing.  Any rumour that is negative about Mr. Thaksin seems to gain currency fast.  Let&#039;s be fair to him a little.  I would like to stress again: we all are fellow human beings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rest easy, my Khmer friends, we Thais are not going to engage you in a fight.  We love you as fellow human beings.  As to former PM Thaksin, it is unfair to accuse him of any unproven wrongdoing.  Any rumour that is negative about Mr. Thaksin seems to gain currency fast.  Let&#8217;s be fair to him a little.  I would like to stress again: we all are fellow human beings.</p>
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		<title>By: Sidh S.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sidh S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 13:15:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Finally the PPP call in the professionals to clean up the mess they caused. We had an amateur diplomat in Noppodol who was there solely because he is a PMThaksin&#039;s ardent loyalist - and most probably only did his master&#039;s bidding... (was it worth it I wonder, I heard a Hua-hin vendor refused to sell him congee - well, he can always eat in the hotels...)

It may be prove to be just another business transaction for PMThaksin, much like the one he pulled off with the Burmese Junta through EXIM bank (extended billions of Thai tax-payers money in loans for the Burmese to do business with ShinCorp - a case to be tried in the courts) - if we can find out who is the rumoured major investor in Cambodia&#039;s Koh Kong island. It has all his &quot;win-win&quot; (for his businesses) trademark. PMHunsen gets Khao Phra Vihear listed and, in the ensuing event, turns a potential crisis into an election victory - and to add icing to the cake, according to Nicholas&#039; report, Cambodian unity. It is rumoured PMThaksin beat other potential investors to the Koh Kong contract...

If that is true, I think many Thais might prefer him in a Thai jail than pulling off deals along the Thai border while pulling the strings inside the Thai cabinet. At least, I hear that FMTej Bunnag is his own man (one actually prefered over PMThaksin&#039;s proposal, a former ambassador to England) - so further business transactions through the foriegn ministry could be on hold...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Finally the PPP call in the professionals to clean up the mess they caused. We had an amateur diplomat in Noppodol who was there solely because he is a PMThaksin&#8217;s ardent loyalist &#8211; and most probably only did his master&#8217;s bidding&#8230; (was it worth it I wonder, I heard a Hua-hin vendor refused to sell him congee &#8211; well, he can always eat in the hotels&#8230;)</p>
<p>It may be prove to be just another business transaction for PMThaksin, much like the one he pulled off with the Burmese Junta through EXIM bank (extended billions of Thai tax-payers money in loans for the Burmese to do business with ShinCorp &#8211; a case to be tried in the courts) &#8211; if we can find out who is the rumoured major investor in Cambodia&#8217;s Koh Kong island. It has all his &#8220;win-win&#8221; (for his businesses) trademark. PMHunsen gets Khao Phra Vihear listed and, in the ensuing event, turns a potential crisis into an election victory &#8211; and to add icing to the cake, according to Nicholas&#8217; report, Cambodian unity. It is rumoured PMThaksin beat other potential investors to the Koh Kong contract&#8230;</p>
<p>If that is true, I think many Thais might prefer him in a Thai jail than pulling off deals along the Thai border while pulling the strings inside the Thai cabinet. At least, I hear that FMTej Bunnag is his own man (one actually prefered over PMThaksin&#8217;s proposal, a former ambassador to England) &#8211; so further business transactions through the foriegn ministry could be on hold&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Kulap</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kulap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 23:36:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nicholas--

Assuming this is the one that took all the famous head shots, that photographer is pretty well known. He was ten years old when he joined  (for lack of a better term) the Khmer Rouge. They sent him to China to learn basic photography. He would still have been a young teenager when he did the photos, but I don&#039;t think he was a soldier before that.

This was a rare article to note that Hun Sen defected from the Khmer Rouge. Typical, though peculiar, is that it doesn&#039;t mention that Khmer Rouge troops, with Thai help, fought Hun Sen&#039;s for more than ten years. Most of that time, he had the help of Vietnamese troops. (The NYT&#039;s Seth Mydans seems to do a Khmer Rouge story about once a month--it&#039;s his only Cambodia story--but I don&#039;t think I&#039;ve ever seen him mention the civil war or Vietnamese occupation.) A lot of these people in Anlong Veng must have relatives that were killed or wounded during that war. Seems to me that it&#039;s newsworthy that they now appear to support the CPP so strongly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nicholas&#8211;</p>
<p>Assuming this is the one that took all the famous head shots, that photographer is pretty well known. He was ten years old when he joined  (for lack of a better term) the Khmer Rouge. They sent him to China to learn basic photography. He would still have been a young teenager when he did the photos, but I don&#8217;t think he was a soldier before that.</p>
<p>This was a rare article to note that Hun Sen defected from the Khmer Rouge. Typical, though peculiar, is that it doesn&#8217;t mention that Khmer Rouge troops, with Thai help, fought Hun Sen&#8217;s for more than ten years. Most of that time, he had the help of Vietnamese troops. (The NYT&#8217;s Seth Mydans seems to do a Khmer Rouge story about once a month&#8211;it&#8217;s his only Cambodia story&#8211;but I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ve ever seen him mention the civil war or Vietnamese occupation.) A lot of these people in Anlong Veng must have relatives that were killed or wounded during that war. Seems to me that it&#8217;s newsworthy that they now appear to support the CPP so strongly.</p>
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