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	<description>New perspectives on mainland Southeast Asia</description>
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		<title>By: Nicholas Farrelly</title>
		<link>http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2008/10/28/sufficiency-economy-gurus/comment-page-1/#comment-645576</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicholas Farrelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 04:42:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Srithanonchai,

Great link (love the &lt;em&gt;luuk thung&lt;/em&gt; singer and the dancers on the front page!).

As an aside, before too long an Andrew Walker edited book titled &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nus.edu.sg/nuspress/subjects/ASAA/978-9971-69-471-5.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Tai Lands and Thailand: Community and State in Southeast Asia&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt; will be jointly published by National University of Singapore Press and NIA Press.  As the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.niaspress.dk/asian_studies_bookshop/toc.asp?isbn=978%2087%207694%20049%202&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;table of contents&lt;/a&gt; probably suggests, readers may want to bear it in mind for a different take on &quot;chumchon&quot;, and related issues, in Southeast Asia.

Best wishes to all,

Nich</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Srithanonchai,</p>
<p>Great link (love the <em>luuk thung</em> singer and the dancers on the front page!).</p>
<p>As an aside, before too long an Andrew Walker edited book titled <a href="http://www.nus.edu.sg/nuspress/subjects/ASAA/978-9971-69-471-5.html" rel="nofollow"><em>Tai Lands and Thailand: Community and State in Southeast Asia</em></a> will be jointly published by National University of Singapore Press and NIA Press.  As the <a href="http://www.niaspress.dk/asian_studies_bookshop/toc.asp?isbn=978%2087%207694%20049%202" rel="nofollow">table of contents</a> probably suggests, readers may want to bear it in mind for a different take on &#8220;chumchon&#8221;, and related issues, in Southeast Asia.</p>
<p>Best wishes to all,</p>
<p>Nich</p>
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		<title>By: Srithanonchai</title>
		<link>http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2008/10/28/sufficiency-economy-gurus/comment-page-1/#comment-645573</link>
		<dc:creator>Srithanonchai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 04:22:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The following government web site might be interesting for readers following the suffciency economy discussion.

http://www.chumchon.go.th/

It belongs to the &quot;Sufficiency Economy Office for Community Development.&quot; It is under the Office of the Prime Minister and headed, if I remember correctly, by Supatra Masdit.

Its Thai name is สำนักงานชุมชนพอเพียง. The opening page shows an advertisement that I found in Post Today, April 17, 2009, p. 3.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The following government web site might be interesting for readers following the suffciency economy discussion.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.chumchon.go.th/" rel="nofollow">http://www.chumchon.go.th/</a></p>
<p>It belongs to the &#8220;Sufficiency Economy Office for Community Development.&#8221; It is under the Office of the Prime Minister and headed, if I remember correctly, by Supatra Masdit.</p>
<p>Its Thai name is สำนักงานชุมชนพอเพียง. The opening page shows an advertisement that I found in Post Today, April 17, 2009, p. 3.</p>
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		<title>By: burin buranasin</title>
		<link>http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2008/10/28/sufficiency-economy-gurus/comment-page-1/#comment-576008</link>
		<dc:creator>burin buranasin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 04:15:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All things said, don&#039;t forget the book Small Is Beautiful by E.F. Schumacher (I hope I spell his name right).  In the book there is an inspiring chapter on Buddhist economics.  Actually, I think, this sufficiency economics originates with Buddhism.  As the majority of Thais are Buddhist, I don&#039;t see why we should get excited about this being a novel theory.  The Buddha gave this out long, long ago, and many Thais have practiced it from time immemorial!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All things said, don&#8217;t forget the book Small Is Beautiful by E.F. Schumacher (I hope I spell his name right).  In the book there is an inspiring chapter on Buddhist economics.  Actually, I think, this sufficiency economics originates with Buddhism.  As the majority of Thais are Buddhist, I don&#8217;t see why we should get excited about this being a novel theory.  The Buddha gave this out long, long ago, and many Thais have practiced it from time immemorial!</p>
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		<title>By: Sidh S.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sidh S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 10:45:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The political uncertainty has dented investor confidence and government planning, but it has had one unexpected benefit: It has prevented the building of the sort of asset price bubbles that have amplified problems elsewhere in the world.&quot;

in &quot;Thailand Escapes Financial Meltdown: Past Lessons Helped Nation Lessen Risk&quot;

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/23/AR2008102303801.html?hpid=artslot

Who would have thought the Thai political crisis had any economic benefits! I say it&#039;s still early days - and Thailand (and all others) will succumb in the scenario that the US and Europe economy further deteriorates...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The political uncertainty has dented investor confidence and government planning, but it has had one unexpected benefit: It has prevented the building of the sort of asset price bubbles that have amplified problems elsewhere in the world.&#8221;</p>
<p>in &#8220;Thailand Escapes Financial Meltdown: Past Lessons Helped Nation Lessen Risk&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/23/AR2008102303801.html?hpid=artslot" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/23/AR2008102303801.html?hpid=artslot</a></p>
<p>Who would have thought the Thai political crisis had any economic benefits! I say it&#8217;s still early days &#8211; and Thailand (and all others) will succumb in the scenario that the US and Europe economy further deteriorates&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Return of Thongdaeng</title>
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		<dc:creator>Return of Thongdaeng</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 14:35:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Colum, thanks for your words of wisdom. I think.  But I amconfused about &quot;the worship of a python suffocating babies.&quot; I never see this. I live on a farm. Where you see this?

You say &quot;these days Thai subjects can hardly be labeled citizens with any substance&quot;

Why you talk like this? Why you angry with Thai people. You angry with me too. I feel. Is this true?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Colum, thanks for your words of wisdom. I think.  But I amconfused about &#8220;the worship of a python suffocating babies.&#8221; I never see this. I live on a farm. Where you see this?</p>
<p>You say &#8220;these days Thai subjects can hardly be labeled citizens with any substance&#8221;</p>
<p>Why you talk like this? Why you angry with Thai people. You angry with me too. I feel. Is this true?</p>
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		<title>By: Sidh S.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sidh S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 08:32:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Lleij Samuel Schwartz #6 for pointing that out. I argue that Crown Property Bureau&#039;s very long term approach to real estate is in stark contrast with the mainstream shortermism that led to subprimes that precipitated today&#039;s global financial crisis. In that light, CPB has been, on the whole, practicing what HMK preached (with the exceptions raised by the Forbes article with recent high-end developments of course).

There also seem to be a lot of laughing and sneering to do these days - even The Economist seem to be chanting a new mantra (here through KAL&#039;s cartoon):

http://www.economist.com/daily/kallery/displayStory.cfm?story_id=12532624&amp;source=features_box4</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Lleij Samuel Schwartz #6 for pointing that out. I argue that Crown Property Bureau&#8217;s very long term approach to real estate is in stark contrast with the mainstream shortermism that led to subprimes that precipitated today&#8217;s global financial crisis. In that light, CPB has been, on the whole, practicing what HMK preached (with the exceptions raised by the Forbes article with recent high-end developments of course).</p>
<p>There also seem to be a lot of laughing and sneering to do these days &#8211; even The Economist seem to be chanting a new mantra (here through KAL&#8217;s cartoon):</p>
<p><a href="http://www.economist.com/daily/kallery/displayStory.cfm?story_id=12532624&amp;source=features_box4" rel="nofollow">http://www.economist.com/daily/kallery/displayStory.cfm?story_id=12532624&amp;source=features_box4</a></p>
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		<title>By: Colum Graham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Colum Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 10:51:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jae, maybe it&#039;s a subjective pursuit for you, but these days Thai subjects can hardly be labeled citizens with any substance. How can you provide evidence for the amount of people who are subjectively moved spiritually by &#039;sufficiency&#039; versus those objectively defining their livelihoods by it? The convergence of spiritual aspects of being sufficient and the restrictions that this particular brand of sufficiency makes on political and economic development is tantamount to the worship of a python suffocating babies.  You subscribe to the relativist blackmail that you have slandered in the review of Thailand: Beyond the Fringe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jae, maybe it&#8217;s a subjective pursuit for you, but these days Thai subjects can hardly be labeled citizens with any substance. How can you provide evidence for the amount of people who are subjectively moved spiritually by &#8217;sufficiency&#8217; versus those objectively defining their livelihoods by it? The convergence of spiritual aspects of being sufficient and the restrictions that this particular brand of sufficiency makes on political and economic development is tantamount to the worship of a python suffocating babies.  You subscribe to the relativist blackmail that you have slandered in the review of Thailand: Beyond the Fringe.</p>
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		<title>By: Jae</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 05:11:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it is the tendency of some &#039;Western&#039;/hypercritical minds (isnt that what &#039;Western&#039; academics get paid for?!) to take these things too literally. It&#039;s similar to the idea that &#039;if we all became Buddhists, the world would come to an end&#039;.

There are good things in Sufficiency Economy - it&#039;s the &#039;teachings&#039; that count, everyone has their flaws, it&#039;s a matter of &#039;doing what you can do&#039;. It&#039;s up to the individual to &#039;put it into practice&#039;.  But &#039;oh it&#039;s all so flawed!!!&#039; I hear many say ... from an objective standpoint, yes there are many. Sufficiency Economy, as with more &#039;religious&#039; practice, is more of a subjective pursuit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it is the tendency of some &#8216;Western&#8217;/hypercritical minds (isnt that what &#8216;Western&#8217; academics get paid for?!) to take these things too literally. It&#8217;s similar to the idea that &#8216;if we all became Buddhists, the world would come to an end&#8217;.</p>
<p>There are good things in Sufficiency Economy &#8211; it&#8217;s the &#8216;teachings&#8217; that count, everyone has their flaws, it&#8217;s a matter of &#8216;doing what you can do&#8217;. It&#8217;s up to the individual to &#8216;put it into practice&#8217;.  But &#8216;oh it&#8217;s all so flawed!!!&#8217; I hear many say &#8230; from an objective standpoint, yes there are many. Sufficiency Economy, as with more &#8216;religious&#8217; practice, is more of a subjective pursuit.</p>
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		<title>By: Istvan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Istvan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 06:32:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RE: Lleij Samuel Schwartz

Andrew Walker does reject the SE concept as a whole, see his paper &quot;Royal Sufficiency and elite misrepresentation of rural livelihoods&quot;, as well as various articles published here. 

Referring to the king&#039;s New Theory in his above paper he argues that &quot;The notion that external linkages should only be developed once there is a foundation in local sufficiency is simply not consistent with the economically diversified livelihood strategies pursued by rural people in contemporary Thailand.&quot; According to him these diversified income patterns are mainly due to the scarcity of fertile land... - Well, there is plenty of unused fertile land in rural Thailand. However, in part it is owned by middle-class Bangkokians as a &quot;safe asset&quot;. This means that the problem is rather the lack of state policies addressing the issue of unjust and uneconomical land distribution.

The New Theory is itself borrowed from the Gandhian concept of an ideal village economy: see Ishii, Kazuya (2001) &#039;The Socioeconomic Thoughts of Mahatma Gandhi: As an Origin of Alternative Development&#039;, Review of Social Economy, 59:3, 297 - 312</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE: Lleij Samuel Schwartz</p>
<p>Andrew Walker does reject the SE concept as a whole, see his paper &#8220;Royal Sufficiency and elite misrepresentation of rural livelihoods&#8221;, as well as various articles published here. </p>
<p>Referring to the king&#8217;s New Theory in his above paper he argues that &#8220;The notion that external linkages should only be developed once there is a foundation in local sufficiency is simply not consistent with the economically diversified livelihood strategies pursued by rural people in contemporary Thailand.&#8221; According to him these diversified income patterns are mainly due to the scarcity of fertile land&#8230; &#8211; Well, there is plenty of unused fertile land in rural Thailand. However, in part it is owned by middle-class Bangkokians as a &#8220;safe asset&#8221;. This means that the problem is rather the lack of state policies addressing the issue of unjust and uneconomical land distribution.</p>
<p>The New Theory is itself borrowed from the Gandhian concept of an ideal village economy: see Ishii, Kazuya (2001) &#8216;The Socioeconomic Thoughts of Mahatma Gandhi: As an Origin of Alternative Development&#8217;, Review of Social Economy, 59:3, 297 &#8211; 312</p>
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		<title>By: nic</title>
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		<dc:creator>nic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 04:35:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>all are sufficient, but some are more sufficient then others...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>all are sufficient, but some are more sufficient then others&#8230;</p>
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