It was a welcome change to be walking away from a street protest without a feeling of disgust and sadness; without feeling on edge from the mess that I had seen and photographed.
The last day of the Parliament siege by the Red Shirts saw a few lightly injured people. Most of them had fainted during the pushing at the side gate of Parliament when the police unsuccessfully tried to open it.
We know about the potential for violence in any street protest group, including the Red Shirts. Yet this protest was very carefully controlled by the Red Shirt leadership. Violent incidents were the absolute exception, and were immediately stopped by the leadership who were constantly at the frontline. The rhethoric on the stages was a careful balance of edging people on, humour and constant reminders to stay within the confines of the law. At night, Red Shirt leaders took turns singing songs on the stage. The protesters sang along and danced.
About 30,000 Red Shirts gathered at Sanam Luang
The first day, 28 December, saw two minor incidents. One was in front of Parliament when Red Shirt guards briefly fired slingshots at reporters (no injuries reported). The second incident was when one Red Shirt at Sanam Luang was slightly beaten up, most likely through a misunderstanding (he was accused of being a hired “third hand”). Guards straight away rushed to the scene and led the man behind the stage. He was quickly given first aid and then driven away to hospital.
It was reported that the night before the Sanam Luang meeting, Red Shirts who had already gathered at Parliament were harassed by PAD on motorcycles. However, this incident has not been independently confirmed.
A Red Shirt who was slightly beaten up was pulled out of the crowd and taken behind the stage, shielded by guards
The march to Parliament on the night of 28/29 December went without incident. Nor was there any incident on 29 December. The morning of 29 December started with several hudred monks gathering to receive alms from the protesters. Senators, civil servants and parliamentarians walked through the protesters and were allowed to enter the Parliament compound.
The eccentric Udon Thani MP, Soratin Pinmanmekin, appeared on stage and greeted the members of his Udon Thani constituency that had made their way to Bangkok. Soratin is a rather unique figure in Thai politics. He is a former Police Colonel, who has spent several years in a Lao prison, and who was injured in the clash between Red Shirts and PAD on 2 September 2008. He was in the front lines of the fight.
The march to Parliament
The march to Parliament
Monks receive alms from the Red Shirt protesters
Soratin Pinmanmekin in the crowd
Senators walk through the protesters
By the morning of 30 December it was clear that there would be an attempt to open the gate to Parliament. Police started building up on Ratchawithi Road, and also inside Parliament. The situation was slightly tense, but kept under tight control by the Red Shirt leadership. The picture was completely different from the scene on the morning of 7 October 2008 during the PAD siege. For the Red Shirt protests there were no barricades with barbed wire and booby traps, and protesters that carried sticks and iron bars were asked to lay them aside, so as not to give the police any pretence to attack with heavy force.
The morning of 30 December – no barricades
At about 8 AM, police tried to push open the gate from the inside. Protesters stopped the attempt by pushing the police back into the compound. Both Nattawut Saikua and Jakrapop Penkair were present at the lorry in front of the gate. They were less than ten meters away and had a clear view, so they could command and control the crowd. (Completely different from the PAD Parliament siege of 7 October, when the PAD leaders were inside Government House, more than a kilometer from the action.) As soon as a bottle flew, the Red Shirt leaders asked the protesters to refrain from doing so, saying that their protest had to stay within the law. One mother carrying her toddler was asked to step away from the gate, so that the child would not get injured.
After a few women fainted during the initial action, women were asked to leave the gate, and only unarmed men were asked to join. When protesters pushed police back into the compound, leaders on the stage commanded them to retreat, as their aim was not to invade Parliament.
Police and protesters push at the gate
A woman who fainted
A slightly injured protester is carried away to the waiting ambulances
After the fourth such action I slipped into Parliament when both police and protesters made way for a group of medics that was let through after rumours spread that a Red Shirt protester inside had a broken arm. (In fact, there was no such injury.)
The police inside were relaxed and very positive about the behaviour of the protesters as compared to when they encountered the PAD. A hilarious de-escalation tactic happened when the Red Shirts gave some of their paraphernalia through the gate to police officers. One officer who received Jakrapop’s jacket was particularly happy. After this, the mood was completely relaxed, both inside Parliament and outside.
One officer received Jakrapop Penkair’s jacket
A large group of protesters then made their way to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. Another astonishing incident happened, when protesters met a police line. After brief negotiations, Red Shirts advanced, and police slowly retreated step by step. Protesters were reminded from the stage not to inflict even one scratch on the officers. One police officer with a whistle commanded the retreat of the line.
Protesters at the police line
Slow and orderly police retreat
The Red Shirts then commenced to move in an orderly manner to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, in order to surround it. Soldiers along the way did not interfere and were only protecting the palace. At the Ministry no incidents to speak of happened. The Red Shirts hurled insults at Democrat MPs, and some MPs were seen jumping over the fence into a neighbouring construction site. Soon the Red Shirts retreated, and the day ended without any further incident.
Protester at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs
This form of protest should be commended and encouraged, and should get more media attention here in Thailand. If the Red Shirts continue to be demonized, belittled and labelled as paid stooges of Thaksin then this will only contribute to strengthening the more violent elements within the Red Shirt movement, and civil disobedience might turn into criminal disobedience. An example of this was the spontaneous gathering of about 200 Red Shirts without any of the leaders at Parliament on 15 December during the parliamentary election of Abhisit.
It is clear that the leadership of the Red Shirts have made tremendous efforts to change and improve the reputation of their movement. Thai media, Democrats and the so called independent organizations should start recognizing this fact. PAD might hurl accusations of lese majeste, but what we have seen during the last days of December was clear civil disobedience, as opposed to what we saw from the PAD in recent months since their decision to redefine non-violence.















What a waste of energy! Hero worship at its worst! Nothing constructive! PAD and UDD. What’s the difference. Just more brainwashed idiots in party party gear.
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Red Shirts is the group not only to bring change to modernize the country, it is the Allied forces inside Thailand. Its intentions make their political communication civil.
On the contrary, the Democrat Party & the PAD is serving the germany-japanese mainland Southeast Asia objectives. According to Matichon Newspaper (Jan 1st 2009), Mr.Kraisak Chunhawan, deputy head of the Democrat Party and Chairman of the House Social Development Committee, Mr. Suvit Khunkitti, Minister of Natural Resources, Mr. Thira Salakpet, Minister of Culture, and Mr.Kasit Pirom, Minister of Foreign Affairs, are pushing the agenda to give lands to a minority group that resides on the island and coastal areas of the Andaman Sea. They are strongly against any tourist access to the area.
We need to know that Mr.Kraisak Chunhawan is grandson of Pin Chunhawan, who accompanied Plaek Phibunsongkram (Chief of the Axis Forces) in an attempt to arrest Dr.Pridi Banomyong (Chief of the Allied Forces) in 1947. The British and Americans managed to hijack Pridi out to Singapore in time.
Mr. Suvit Khunkitti, was in both Samak’s and Somchai’s cabinet. He had caused the collapse of both cabinets.
Mr. Kasit Pirom, one of the PAD, was the ambassador to Japan and Germany before.
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Thanks a lot, Nick! Waited for this one…
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Great reporting!
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Nick, absolutely fantastic pictures! This gave me a much better sense of the mechanics of these rallies and you should continue to perform the invaluable service of documenting the democratic upsurge and be sure record the evidence in case anything untoward is perpetrated by the army and their various proxies.
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Thanks for the input Nick. Always like your perspective.
One thing I noticed from your picture and others I have seen is that the Reds have figured out that they need English language signs if the foreign press is going to pick up pictures of their protests, and the group as a whole appears to be in good spirits throughout the protest. It’s actually rather refreshing not to see razer wire, armed guards and tire barricades at a protest.
There definitely was a potential for the protest to turn sour and I think the UDD leaders have to be commended for keeping everyone in line for the most part.
The big question now is will the Democrats actually do anything in charging the PAD as they said they would by the 4th or 5th of the month or was that just to buy time until they could deliver their policy debate. If the government fails to prosecute anyone for the seizures, and this is my personal feeling, then the leaders of the UDD may not be able to reign in the militant factions of the Reds for too much longer.
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Absolutely agree with the last paragraph of Marty’s comment.Only the restoration of rule of law can bring an end to the protests and the political rift. can I trust Abhisit and Democrats on this job? I’m afraid I can’t.
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I noticed many Thai flags on the pictures, but nobody holding up what was ubiquitious at PAD rallies — pics of the king and the queen…
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To be fair defence of immediate comparison on PAD vs. UDD
PAD did not immediately start acting violence/threatening on the initial phase of their campaign either. For a while, they can legitimately claim civil disobedience; but it degenerate downhill and the rest is history…
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I have always felt that the PAD used the Images of the Royal family as a propaganda tool. It’s hard to attack, in the media etc, a group had become increasingly violent while they hold up pictures of the Royal family and it also sends the subliminal message that if you don’t support the PAD then somehow you are un-Thai or un-Loyal to the monarchy. I would guess that the Reds are just as, if not more, loyal to the crown that the other groups. Probably someone, like Nick, with more contact to the Reds would be able to comment more.
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The Red Shirt People will proclaim to the earth and sky ….
“People Like us have hearts too”
紅襯衫人將給地球和天空宣佈
好像我們一樣的人也是有心的
The Red Shirt People will proclaim to the earth and sky …
“We are also Thai people”
紅襯衫人將給地和天宣佈
我們也是泰國人
The Red Shirt People will ask the earth and sky …
“If there is no place worthy of standing”
紅襯衫人們將問地和天
沒有值得站的地方
We will ask the earth and sky … Should find a place to stand on our own???
The Cheers of the Red Shirt People will be heard by The earth and The Sky !!!
我們將問地,天應該發現一個地方獨立站嗎? ? ?
紅襯衫人們的歡呼將被地球和天氣聽到﹗ ! !
NutKim
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Superman is dressed mostly in red and his nemesis, Lex Luthor dresses in yellow quite often. An interesting comparison, is it not? I’m afraid that Superman is in for the fight of his life, this time, because Luthors henchmen are armed with many weapons made of ‘Green’ krytonite.
I will still root for the red to reign supreme.
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As all Thais know that the current situation now is to outwit the other side in the political arena to achieve its final goal (to get rid of the other totally). We all know that one side has the full backing of Democratic Party, national business entities, courts and judges, aristocrats, army, royalists and many more while the other side has the backing of only the grass-root of ordinary people with no clout. While one side tries to outwit the other side by using any means (legal and illegal) in their hands to achieve its goal and the other side has only ordinary people using only their individual right (one man/one vote) to demonstrate their patient and peaceful intention– the outcome is obvious if ordinary people do not make their stand or their voice heard.
A country without majority people supporting their government will not survive. The majority of Thai people still believe in democratic process and slowly running out of patience because they have been treated unfairly and seeing democratic process is being abused. That is why they are coming out to show the support of the democracy.
The current government is legally hijacked, being a nominee, and run by a group of aristocrats that would like to undermine and abolish one man/one vote in democratic system. Thailand democracy would be put back another 50 years to the past when those aristocrats were in abundance if they achieve such goal. I do not believe majority of Thai people would allow that to happen.
I love democracy. Presently, I see only one side that still adheres to the democratic process and demonstrate in a peaceful manner is the red shirt people. Until I see new or another democratic entity emerges, I will fight along side with red shirt ordinary people.
That is the only way I can make one of my little voice being heard
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Thank you so much for your side of the story. Thailand is now under the unfair force from the invisible power. Thai media are so coward to even broadcase or write the whole thruth. Shame on them.
Kindly tell the world how bad the Thai and especially our most beloved Prime Minister, Taksin Chinawat who has changed our lives and ours vision, have been treated cruely and unfairly.
In Thailand today, the terrorist is being rewarded a Minister, and Apisit, the hijacked Priminister is in power and he has no courage to walk through the red when he said that he is the priminister of all colors.
Please help us spread the thruth to the whole world. We do not want to become the second Mianmar.
Thanks a million.
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Kindly tell the world how bad the Thai and especially our most beloved Prime Minister, Taksin Chinawat who has changed our lives and ours vision, have been treated cruely and unfairly.
You can take some comfort from the fact that at least your beloved has been offered a day in court and until recently has been allowed to roam the world on a diplomatic passport (which is better treatment than many who have been on the wrong end of justice under his rule).
I’m with you if your future vision is for rule of law instead of rule by law, and does not include considering tax evasion, policy corruption or extra-judicial killings as acceptable.
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International politics in turn has brought big emotional trouble. Envy is the new worm in the apple of sport. Read about the enemies of China as they bickered through the comments was like reading Hitler’s hate speech again. The game was secondary. First we had to learn whose feelings were hurt and whose pride was wounded. In once-sedate politics, the pot of gold is now enormous and the players are strung as tightly as their backers. In Thai politics and the world politics the pay is sky-high, and so is the umbrage.
Pretending to be red shirt with wrong spelling, pathetic Pat.
No preparation for W.W.III, i.e. Hezbollah, Hamas, Taiwan Chen Shui-bian, Venezuela Chavez, Thailand PAD, Sri Lanka Tamil Tiger bases, etc. Peace is the only option, understand?
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Sad to say, Thailand is only one tiny step to becoming Burma, politically. It is not only ordinary Thais against the elite, but against the elite’s army.
It is a democracy only in name and rule of law is just a slogan.
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I totally agree with Chicago USA comment. Will this current political maneuvering leads Thailand to a more dangerous fight? We don’t know do we, however, I can only hope that grass-root people will continue to exert their voice and their demand for true democracy. Not the so-call patronage system of government, those day and that type of government is over.
It is time to trust the people!!! Thank you Nick!!!
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I have lived and worked in this fine country off and on for more than forty years. I have seen smiles on all the faces and have seen blood in the streets. Using past observation I am worried to death that unless a saviour comes out of the closet, violence will once again darken the countryside. Please, please to any and all who read this, use any and all arguements with the powere that be to stop this downhill slide into disaster. I love this country as though it were my own and regardless of civil or uncivil disobedience, STOP before it’s too late.
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I see the opposite picture to Rogera. The turbulence caused by the confrontation between the red shirts and the yellow shirts, brings progress to Siam. The status quo has hindered the societal development for so long. Stormy politics has shaked the country on serious issues such as corruption, patronage, and oligarchy. It is still a long way to go but the struggle has begun in a serious sense. For example, we now can ask Prem Tinsulanond (Chairman of the Privy Council) to move out from his military residence. He was supposed to evacuate when he retired many years ago. Double standard is unacceptable.
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Bangkok Pundit had a bit from Matichon that I found very interesting about the political situation, it’s worth a read. It’s translated from the original Thai so it’s not as hard to get through.
http://bangkokpundit.blogspot.com/2009/01/government-from-sri-sao.html
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Yes, Susie Wong, the turbulence created by the yellow shirts and the red shirts will shortly progress into armed conflict. Then the Army has the excuse it needs to step in and protect their yellow shirt partners. Is this the type of progress you want? A man once said Democracy has many faults, but it’s the best thing we’ve got at this time. As I understand it, Democracy should be carried out by everyone having their say. By vote through a representative or directly into a community gathering. With the technical progress in this century, I can envision a person having the right to vote from whereever they are. electronically into a central computer. That is my idea of True Democracy. I will never see it in my lifetime, but I can dream. The democracy, if you can call it that, in this country has reverted back to almost dictatorship. I will cry a lot when I see the young bodies in the street.
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I like Nick’s pictures but the text of this report is so adoring of the red shirts that it is hard to credit him as an objective reporter.
Susie Wong #2. “We need to know that Mr.Kraisak Chunhawan is grandson of Pin Chunhawan, who accompanied Plaek Phibunsongkram (Chief of the Axis Forces) in an attempt to arrest Dr.Pridi Banomyong”. How relevant is this? Kraisak is nothing like his grandfather or even his father. Why not say that we need to know that Kraisak fought for justice for the innocent people who were murdered in Thaksin’s War Against Drugs? Are you so sure that Thaksin’s granfather was whiter than white before taking it back to the third generation. Some allege he was an opium dealer as well as a tax farmer.
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Rogera, I think because of past experiences, the Thai police and military have begun to enforce preventive measures to avoid any possibility of physical confrontation between the two groups. I don’t think you can use fear to inhibit Thais from moving ahead toward democracy.
As for the army staging a coup, the politicians (both the government and the opposition) will mobilize people against that option. No one wants to lose power. When national security is at risk, I think the Thai military has the right to stage a coup.
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To Portland: I am simply explaining the current action of Kraisak Chunhawan as the instrument of Germany-Japan’s objectives in the Andaman Sea (Indian Ocean). In the realm of security, strategic intention matters most, regardless of ideological leaning. I think the countries in the region understand.
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Portman I’ll defend Nick a bit as I don’t think he will.
I’ve known him for a few years and both he and I probably feel more comfortable in the company of people like the people the Reds draw their protesters from. Part of that comes from our marriages to ladies from upcountry and the vibrant relationships with their families and friends. When I’m in Canada most of my friends are Doctors and upper middle class but in Thailand most of my true acquaintances are middle class at best a lot are just dirt poor, I’m know it’s the same for Nick.
This makes it a lot easier to get the dirt from the bottom up but it also makes you have an empathy for the poor that people who don’t actually put themselves into the situation may not have to the same degree.
I know Nick has mentioned here on another post that he never feels 100% comfortable when he covers the PAD. Only Nick can answer why but sometimes you just don’t feel comfortable in a situation and don’t really know why. People are people and they all have their preferences. I know Nick’s preferences but he tries his utmost to report neutrally.
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To Susie Wong. Sorry I don’t get it. You could equally argue that Aung San Suu Cyi is a fascist because her father sided with the Japanese in the Second World War.
Anyway I see Thaksin having far more ideological similarities with Pibul than with Pridi, e.g. de-empasis of the monarchy and emphasis himself, his power and personal financial benefits; control of the media to stifle all opposition; extrajudicial killings and disappearances as tools of government policy etc. If he had been around in the 40s, it is most unlikely that he would have been posing as a champion of democracy, risking an undignified end in a ditch, and much more likely that he would have been busy downplaying his Chineseness like Pin Choonhaven and trying to get aboard the Pibul bandwagon.
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Marty. I appreciate the explanation. The pictures are excellent but I felt a little uneasy about the angle of the commentary on the piece about the police action firing the copious explosive tear gas grenades at the PAD. On reading the red shirt piece here, this all fell clearly into perspective.
I am also sympathetic to the plight of the rural poor and have some close connections in the rural Northeast as well as but I find it too hard to stomach the low quality and self serving nature of the Thaksinite politicians and the man himself. They don’t have the flavour of people who care about the ordinary people at all but rather seem to view them as a resource to be manipulated for their personal benefit. I don’t see anything resembling a social democratic movement in Thailand that is genuinely interested in social reform. Ironically, Thaksin may inadvertently have sown the seeds for this to happen in the future, since he raised the stakes surrounding the rural vote. However, he and his crony capitalists would certainly hate to see the logical result of this in form of higher and more rigorously collected taxes for the rich, including estate tax; better education for the masses; better labour rights and generally an enhanced return on labour at the expense of the return on capital; and finally rule of law applied uniformly to the wealthy and influential on the scale achieved by South Korea, meaning an end to easy corruption and no further raison d’etre for Thai Rak Thai, Prachachon Thai, Peua Thai or any of their future ugly sprogs.
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I have to agree with you on the “sowing the seed” issue.
I was thinking before the By-election that if PTP actully won big it would just rollover as what we have now. I feel that the PTP will now have to rethink and possibly reorganize their party. They already have a good grass roots organization and if they can bring in the less militant parts of the Red movement they could prove to be very formidable in the next election. Being in the opposition is probably a good position to be in at the moment. The government will have huge pressure to do something about the economy and as it gets worse the factions in the coalition will be under even more pressure as the poor constituents in their ridings will start to gurmblwe more and more.
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Here, here Portman.
I agree with nearly all you say.
Your thoughts are clear.
I also have “strong” family association with rural/farmer people from the North East.
They are not poor (by current Thai rural standards), but they could do better.
Further, their priorities are like those of people all over the world.
They want to care for their families, now/today – that’s number 1.
Number 2, they want to “build a better future” for all – especially their own children.
That they have voted for Thaksin/TRT and its now several incarnations doesn’t worry them – as long as the points just mentioned are attended (or seemingly attennded) to.
My family voted yesterday in the bi-elections. But, they didn’t vote for Thaksin – they voted for the party candidate who promised them hope, to attain these things.
In this way, I would say real democracy is moving forward, in the areas where it is most needed.
Perhaps we are entering a phase in Thailand’s long developing democracy, where social reforms are going to pick up pace and be of more substance.
That the new government is stating loudly, it will maintain and where needed, improve the “populist” policies of recent years, to me, is an indication of this. Let’s hope they do it.
But, more, this political wakening ( inadvertantly created by Thaksin) will eventually make it much harder for “Thakisn-style” politicians (of any colour) to rise to a position of such enormous power, once the social and democratic reforms get to a critical tipping point.
That, of course, is the hard part.
I agree with with Portman, the real development of a proper democatic social movement, really aimed at achieving these goals and not as the vehichle(s) of and for, self-serving politicians, head men and so on – as still appears,to often be the case – will make this move forward so much more effective. Only time will tell if this come about .
In the meantime, I think all us “outsiders” need to to be very carfeful not to back “paper horses” of any colour.
Whatsinanme (formerly Another David – but changed to avoid confusion……with “other” Davids!
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Marty> The Democrats are now in a similar situation to where they were in 1997, coming to power as a result of a crisis, dependent on unreliable, corrupt coalition partners and the economic situation likely, as before, to be much worse than anyone imagines. It will be hard for any government to look good in this situation. It will be interesting to see what PTP does and whether it remains largely Thaksin orientated in terms of its appeal and funding or not.
Now that the seeds have been sown there is clearly an opportunity within the next generation for reds or others to form a party that appeals to rural voters by offering genuine social reform and to urban voters by offering good governance and clearing out corruption in the police etc. Somehow I don’t see the mainstream PTP ever maturing into that role. Its vested interests run too deep and, if Thaksin stays abroad and fades into insignificance, it may just revert to its pre-Thaksin roots as a collection of bickering provincial chao phors.
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Nga…. I dont give you much in the way of a direct response about Thaksins bad side…
a. because I think most of Thaksin’s “bad side” is not true, its just wild
ravings from our mate Sondhi and other paid lackeys of the senior
military and the rich families…
all of the specific cases I have checked have yielded manipulation of the law to get a conviction of Thaksin and Samak, or no evidence found (despite heroic efforts by all those against them)
b. if Thailand stuck with a one-person one-vote democratic system all
these things would be sorted out by the system where the people get the chance to choose whether their representatives stay in power or not…
so whether Thaksin is corrupt or not is not really relevant in the bigger scheme of things
c. corrupt behaviour IS important when governments are not accountable to the people, like now when all the deals are being done by the Democrats … Prem, the senior military and rich families will decide whether the government will stay in power not the ordinary people of Thailand so as long as they are part of the deal everything will be OK
lets clean up the judicial system…
all judges must be elected by elected MPs!
criminal cases should be judged by juries not judges!
all special case laws like lese majeste and laws for political office-holders, etc should be scrapped!
especially and first, lets get rid of the lese majeste laws so we can speak freely!
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Good one David Brown- but I think we are fighting a losing battle against the dark forces that have now taken a strangle hold in every area of governance, business-mafia links and public life (thanks to media propaganda). Prem and his Democrat’s grand Orwellian schema for total social and political control has finally succeeded…Red Shirt leaders are now closely monitored and it is only a matter of time before they are imprisoned on some fake charge.
Goodbye Democracy
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“all judges must be elected by elected MPs!
criminal cases should be judged by juries not judges!
all special case laws like lese majeste and laws for political office-holders, etc should be scrapped!”
I am not sure in which advanced democracy judges are elected by MPs. That doesn’t sound like a great recipe for a judicial branch that is independent from the legislative and executive branches. Judges positions would just go to the highest bidder and they would jockey for position to judge cases involving people that pay the highest bribes. Where is Asia are there juries outside Hong Kong which struggles so hard to find educated jurors that I was once summoned for jury service there despite not even being a permanent resident? Juries in Thailand would be intimidated to the point of uselessness like they were by gangsters in the US in the 30s. As for scrapping lese majeste laws completely, this is also pie in the sky for a long time to come.
Your view is similar to the many overseas based farang academics and journalists who try to see Thailand purely through farang eyes
and with a strong grounding in what is PC in their countries in the early 21st century i.e. any government or individual who comes to power through the ballot box is good, no matter how crooked the election or how corrupt, self-serving and murderous the individuals. Hitler and Mussolini fitted this bill perfectly and had many admirers in the US in the 20s and 30s.
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Portman, I feel that there is a window of opportunity for someone to step up and lead the Red/PTP. I don’t think it’s someone from within either of the two groups that we would readily recognize. They seem to have gone through most of the old guard. If they can entice some people with good values and a genuine desire to help the rural poor I think they can reform otherwise they will probably implode, which is what the Military, courts, PAD, Democrats etc have been trying to do for a couple of years. I really don’t think they need Thaksin or his money to be successful, what they need is a good platform, lots of organization and a cleaned up image.
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Marty, It would be great if political leaders with that profile could emerge within the red shirt/PT framework or elsewhere. I fear they would be seen as too threatening to the PT but perhaps they could use the red shirt momentum. There is a long tradition of suppressing any type of social reform movement in Thailand. Even environmentalists and local activists are seen as a threat to the status quo and regularly murdered or otherwise dealt with. I see Thaksin and as having taken up the responsibility for this suppression when he was in power with enthusiasm no different from the military and other elitist elements. Look at his record in the South for an idea of his approach to disadvantaged minorities.
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thanks a lot Nick Nostitz
i became your fanclub already .
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