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		<title>By: Review of Jonsson&#8217;s Mien Relations</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 02:36:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Thai Airforce forced Yao out of the mountainous Phrachangnoi Subdistrict and into the lowlands by bombing their forests, farms and villages . These attacks began in 1968 and were followed immediately by [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Leif Jonsson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leif Jonsson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 01:21:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In reply to Jean-Philippe Leblond, the only published account I know of is Prasit Leepreecha et al 2547, Mien: Lak lai chiwit jak khun khao su meuang (CMU, SRI), page 91, they give the year 2518 (1975) for the move, and mention only Mien people from Lampang, Chiangrai, and Tak. I know from talking to Mien in the US that they were told they could move there from refugee camps (late 1970s, maybe also 1980s, am still collecting info on this). As far as I can tell, these were not &quot;border self-defense villages&quot;, in at least some cases there were shoot-outs between some Hmong and some Thai military (details not so detailed, except that the Hmong village was called Ban Thang Sut, that&#039;s where the road ended because the Hmong would not accommodate road construction etc.). These were emphatically not lowland Kamph Phet people who moved uphill, nor were they people who had &quot;sided with the Thai gov&#039;t in the 1960s or 1970s&quot; (they weren&#039;t anti-govt but had other concerns).  In 1990, I had a brief chat with some Mien people in Nan town, who were inside a fence and guarded by heavily armed military guys, the people had been evicted and trucked from Kph Phet to Nan, and may have ended up in the US -- most of the refugee camps were closed in the 1980s, but Chiangkham ran until 1992 or longer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to Jean-Philippe Leblond, the only published account I know of is Prasit Leepreecha et al 2547, Mien: Lak lai chiwit jak khun khao su meuang (CMU, SRI), page 91, they give the year 2518 (1975) for the move, and mention only Mien people from Lampang, Chiangrai, and Tak. I know from talking to Mien in the US that they were told they could move there from refugee camps (late 1970s, maybe also 1980s, am still collecting info on this). As far as I can tell, these were not &#8220;border self-defense villages&#8221;, in at least some cases there were shoot-outs between some Hmong and some Thai military (details not so detailed, except that the Hmong village was called Ban Thang Sut, that&#8217;s where the road ended because the Hmong would not accommodate road construction etc.). These were emphatically not lowland Kamph Phet people who moved uphill, nor were they people who had &#8220;sided with the Thai gov&#8217;t in the 1960s or 1970s&#8221; (they weren&#8217;t anti-govt but had other concerns).  In 1990, I had a brief chat with some Mien people in Nan town, who were inside a fence and guarded by heavily armed military guys, the people had been evicted and trucked from Kph Phet to Nan, and may have ended up in the US &#8212; most of the refugee camps were closed in the 1980s, but Chiangkham ran until 1992 or longer.</p>
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		<title>By: Jean-Philippe Leblond</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jean-Philippe Leblond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 15:29:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leif Jonsson said : 
&quot; The Khlong Lan people, highlanders in Kamphaeng Phet, were invited there by the Thai authorities (most likely just the military, and at that time the Forestry Dept seems not to have minded), in an effort to preclude forest bases by the Communist Party of Thailand. Many of the people were in refugee camp — some rented their own trucks or other transport after they got the green light to settle there. They were encouraged to plant corn, and had to buy their own seeds. After the CPT surrendered, many were evicted, throughout the 1980s possibly, and at least as late as 1990 (by essentially the same outfits as had invited them earlier).&quot; 

Is there a published source for these precious information? 
Do you mean that people who sided with the government  in the late 1960s and 1970s and resettled in lowland resettlement centres in Kamphaeng Phet were then &#039;offered&#039; to relocate in the uplands of western Kamphaeng Phet? Is it possible to know when approximately that occurred and if it was part of one of the many national security projects? Could it be for example part of the &#039;border self-defense village project&#039; created in 1978 and which had by 1981 94 such villages established along the Thai-Burmese border (Bamrungsuk 1999)? 

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Bamrungsuk S. (1999) From Dominance to Power Sharing: The Military and Politics in Thailand, 1973 - 1992. Columbia University.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leif Jonsson said :<br />
&#8221; The Khlong Lan people, highlanders in Kamphaeng Phet, were invited there by the Thai authorities (most likely just the military, and at that time the Forestry Dept seems not to have minded), in an effort to preclude forest bases by the Communist Party of Thailand. Many of the people were in refugee camp — some rented their own trucks or other transport after they got the green light to settle there. They were encouraged to plant corn, and had to buy their own seeds. After the CPT surrendered, many were evicted, throughout the 1980s possibly, and at least as late as 1990 (by essentially the same outfits as had invited them earlier).&#8221; </p>
<p>Is there a published source for these precious information?<br />
Do you mean that people who sided with the government  in the late 1960s and 1970s and resettled in lowland resettlement centres in Kamphaeng Phet were then &#8216;offered&#8217; to relocate in the uplands of western Kamphaeng Phet? Is it possible to know when approximately that occurred and if it was part of one of the many national security projects? Could it be for example part of the &#8216;border self-defense village project&#8217; created in 1978 and which had by 1981 94 such villages established along the Thai-Burmese border (Bamrungsuk 1999)? </p>
<p>ref<br />
Bamrungsuk S. (1999) From Dominance to Power Sharing: The Military and Politics in Thailand, 1973 &#8211; 1992. Columbia University.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Walker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 23:17:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another comment from Doug Miles:

A follow-up to this my first post in New Mandala and my response  to Aiontay&#039;s request ( Comment May 14 2009 7) for further details  about Pulangka Yao crop scheduling  in  the 1960s and  KMY&quot;confiscatiions&quot; (etc) appears &lt;a href=&quot;http://rspas.anu.edu.au/rmap/newmandala/2009/05/22/yao-agriculture-and-military-confiscations/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;. Discussion and images of  rubble  and cairns on opium farms and about stone walling of the perimeters of those fields  may be of interest to archaeologists in the UK as well as Southeast Asia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another comment from Doug Miles:</p>
<p>A follow-up to this my first post in New Mandala and my response  to Aiontay&#8217;s request ( Comment May 14 2009 7) for further details  about Pulangka Yao crop scheduling  in  the 1960s and  KMY&#8221;confiscatiions&#8221; (etc) appears <a href="http://rspas.anu.edu.au/rmap/newmandala/2009/05/22/yao-agriculture-and-military-confiscations/" rel="nofollow">here</a>. Discussion and images of  rubble  and cairns on opium farms and about stone walling of the perimeters of those fields  may be of interest to archaeologists in the UK as well as Southeast Asia.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Walker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 07:36:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another comment from Doug Miles on  JP Leblond’s  Comment May 21 2009 no 1.
I agree  with Leif Horleifur (May  22 2009 11)    regarding  the informative  value of Jean Paul  Leblond’s  comment   ( May 21  2009 10) .  It is not by neglect that I myself only now  respond  to JP’s earlier critique (May7  2009   2 )  of my first  post ( May 5   1) but  rather that I accepted his advice to  consulut  the published material   to which he referred by  Chupinit Kesmanee etc  and   that it  has taken me some time even  to begin the task given the location of where I live and the circumstances in which I work.

However the  clarity, precision and economy  with which JP  himself (May 21  10 ) has now  already summarised that material* renders  redundant any  attempt by  me to emulate his scholarship  which provides more evidence than I ever imagined could be  available for my main  point concerning wild –life sanctauaries  in the   western borderlands of North Thailand : that during  several decades  under the Royal Thai Army( 3rd Region) authority,  commercial clear-felling in the former  habitats  of  poppy-growing mountain minorities  has indeed supplemented military eviction as a strategy for ending shifting cultivation  and especially opium production  in such nature reserves.

 I am also very much taken by Kesamanee’s (1995: 245-248)  references to instances where  those who have acquired   licenses as commercial operators on behalf of timber  interests  have in some cases  themselves been  forestry officials. This charge obviously warrants further and closer consideration in future studies of forestry politics in the Kingdom’s north. 

*Further to the above , I thank  JP Leblond for providing  me with pdf  copies of these documents.

References

Kesmanee C. (1995) Moving Hilltribes People to the Lowlands: The Resettlement Experience in Thailand. In: H. M. Mathur &amp; M. M. Cernea (eds.), Resettlement: Focus on Asian Experiences: Vikas Publishing House PVT LTD</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another comment from Doug Miles on  JP Leblond’s  Comment May 21 2009 no 1.<br />
I agree  with Leif Horleifur (May  22 2009 11)    regarding  the informative  value of Jean Paul  Leblond’s  comment   ( May 21  2009 10) .  It is not by neglect that I myself only now  respond  to JP’s earlier critique (May7  2009   2 )  of my first  post ( May 5   1) but  rather that I accepted his advice to  consulut  the published material   to which he referred by  Chupinit Kesmanee etc  and   that it  has taken me some time even  to begin the task given the location of where I live and the circumstances in which I work.</p>
<p>However the  clarity, precision and economy  with which JP  himself (May 21  10 ) has now  already summarised that material* renders  redundant any  attempt by  me to emulate his scholarship  which provides more evidence than I ever imagined could be  available for my main  point concerning wild –life sanctauaries  in the   western borderlands of North Thailand : that during  several decades  under the Royal Thai Army( 3rd Region) authority,  commercial clear-felling in the former  habitats  of  poppy-growing mountain minorities  has indeed supplemented military eviction as a strategy for ending shifting cultivation  and especially opium production  in such nature reserves.</p>
<p> I am also very much taken by Kesamanee’s (1995: 245-248)  references to instances where  those who have acquired   licenses as commercial operators on behalf of timber  interests  have in some cases  themselves been  forestry officials. This charge obviously warrants further and closer consideration in future studies of forestry politics in the Kingdom’s north. </p>
<p>*Further to the above , I thank  JP Leblond for providing  me with pdf  copies of these documents.</p>
<p>References</p>
<p>Kesmanee C. (1995) Moving Hilltribes People to the Lowlands: The Resettlement Experience in Thailand. In: H. M. Mathur &#038; M. M. Cernea (eds.), Resettlement: Focus on Asian Experiences: Vikas Publishing House PVT LTD</p>
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		<title>By: Leif Jonsson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leif Jonsson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 22:13:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this informative follow-up, that also connects to issues raised in Andrew and Nich&#039;s post on the Specter of Evictions. The Khlong Lan people, highlanders in Kamphaeng Phet, were invited there by the Thai authorities (most likely just the military, and at that time the Forestry Dept seems not to have minded), in an effort to preclude forest bases by the Communist Party of Thailand. Many of the people were in refugee camp -- some rented their own trucks or other transport after they got the green light to settle there. They were encouraged to plant corn, and had to buy their own seeds. After the CPT surrendered, many were evicted, throughout the 1980s possibly, and at least as late as 1990 (by essentially the same outfits as had invited them earlier). 
Near Phulangka, the Phachangnoi Wildlife Sanctuary was established to take land away from possible CPT use. There was no large scale logging, but the WS Director had a road built into the forest for the benefit of his &quot;friends&quot; for at least selective cutting of choice trees(there was also sporadic hunting by WS staff). Local farmers state that the forest was in much better shape prior to the WS being established.  I find it plausible that napalm accounts for the lack of regrowth in that area of Phayao (formerly part of Ch.Rai), but don&#039;t know how one would find out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this informative follow-up, that also connects to issues raised in Andrew and Nich&#8217;s post on the Specter of Evictions. The Khlong Lan people, highlanders in Kamphaeng Phet, were invited there by the Thai authorities (most likely just the military, and at that time the Forestry Dept seems not to have minded), in an effort to preclude forest bases by the Communist Party of Thailand. Many of the people were in refugee camp &#8212; some rented their own trucks or other transport after they got the green light to settle there. They were encouraged to plant corn, and had to buy their own seeds. After the CPT surrendered, many were evicted, throughout the 1980s possibly, and at least as late as 1990 (by essentially the same outfits as had invited them earlier).<br />
Near Phulangka, the Phachangnoi Wildlife Sanctuary was established to take land away from possible CPT use. There was no large scale logging, but the WS Director had a road built into the forest for the benefit of his &#8220;friends&#8221; for at least selective cutting of choice trees(there was also sporadic hunting by WS staff). Local farmers state that the forest was in much better shape prior to the WS being established.  I find it plausible that napalm accounts for the lack of regrowth in that area of Phayao (formerly part of Ch.Rai), but don&#8217;t know how one would find out.</p>
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		<title>By: Jean-Philippe Leblond</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jean-Philippe Leblond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 13:14:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chupinit Kesmanee talked about large-scale illegal logging following relocation in Western Thailand in three documents published in 1987, 1988 and 1995 (references below). The 1988 and 1995 ones are more or less identical. I can send a copy of these documents by email.

Here’s a long extract of Kesmanee (1987). As you will see, he points out that the pattern of relocation of highlanders followed by illegal logging is reported by several informants in many areas. Its existence is documented by a third party in one area: Mae Wong NP &amp; Khlong Lan NP, Kaemphaeng Phet. As I said before: is it possible professor Miles’ post proves it also occurred in Thung Yai Naresuan WS? 

The extract from Kesmanee:  

“Stories from various informants in different locations are consistent in one respect, how, after ordering the hilltribes out, government officers conducted logging operation on a large scale under the guise of hilltribe forest destruction. While the widely held view that such stories are made up by hilltribe people intent on revenge may deserve critical attention, not all such stories can be discounted. Take for example the following information obtained by a news reporter who observed a case at first hand. It clearly deserves considerable weight when assessing villagers claims. 

‘The evacuation of more than 900 hilltribe families from national parks in Kamphaeng Phet province to protect watershed areas becomes deplorable when government officers turn into forest destroyers and build timber mills on a large scale. The Third Army and the Royal Forestry Department evacuated hiltribes from Mae Wong National Park, Khlong Kha Lung district, and Khlong Lan National Park, Khlong Lan district, Kamphaneg Phet. Beginning with closing off the Khlong Lan-Umphang Road, Tak Province from 28 February earlier this year. After that, checkpoint were set up to forbid movement in and out beyond km. 57 to all but national park staff. IT appears that after getting rid of the previous inhabitants, Mae Wong National Park staff became forest destroyers, bringing in machines and circular saws to set up mobile timber mills working day and night at 4 bases along hillsides between km. 65 and 100. Ten-wheel trucks transporting the wood for sale in Bangkok passed the various checkpoint easily under the claim of being on high-level Royal Forest Department business. Beginning in June 1986, villagers going up to look for forest products saw the logging and were appalled. They secretly photographed the mobile sawmill in operation and took the evidence to prost to the Third Army, the Royal Forest Department, and the Office of the Prime Minister but nothing happened. Then the government officers became alert, stopped the transport of wood, and brought down all the equipment. The matter died down without any investigation or orders for staff transfer. These government officers became much more daring and resumed logging with say and nearly 50 workers … [Thai Rath, 1986, &quot;Hilltribe Evacuation Makes a Sad Story: Various Officers Take Opportunity for Large-Scale Logging&quot;, November 4. (in Thai)]&#039;

&quot;The Thai rath news reporter who visited the area saw teak, rubber trees and makhamong wood from large trees that had recently been felled, as well as milled wood being transported out. He also heard the sounds of trees being cut down and machines milling wood. “ (Kesmanee 1987, p. 26-27) 

When I read Professor Miles’ post and wrote my comment, I had in mind the three following interrelated questions: 

First, to what extent was the drive for relocating population fuelled by the prospects of quick returns from forest exploitation? The pattern relocation-(il)legal logging discussed in his text is reported in at least four areas between 1986 and 1992: (1) Mae Wong NP &amp; Khlong Lan NP (Kesmanee 1987), (2) Phop Phra Relocation center, Phop Phra district, Tak (Anon 1991), and as part of the Khor Jor Kor project (Pye 2005, p 147-9) in (3) Thap Lan NP/Dong Yai forest (Khorat &amp; Buriram) and (4) Dong Kwang Forest (Phu Phan Mtns area, Sakon Nakhon). Did the same pattern also happen in Thung Yai Naresuan?  

Second, did relocating people out of forest areas help increase forest cover? In Phu Langkha, an abandoned area has not rejuvenated into forest cover after several decades. Recently, I spent (some might say wasted) a day or two downloading and comparing satellites images of sites where population resettlement occurred. I was surprised by the results of this very preliminary and sketchy analysis. I looked at four sites from which large populations were resettled : SE Thailand (Chanthaburi/Prachin Buri/Sa Kaeo), Thap Lan NP/Dong Yai forest (Khorat), Doi Luang NP (Lampang) and Mae Wong/Khlong Lan NP (Kamphaeng Phet). In the first two, I saw no changes except further deforestation due apparently to government projects. In the third, there was some very modest reforestation in one area. The analysis in the last area was inconclusive due to the dates the satellites images available were taken (1973, 1989 and 1999, while relocation occurred in 1986). If reforestation occurred, it did so very rapidly between 1986 and 1989. Why has reforestation not followed ? Are these meagre environmental benefits worth the human and financial costs of relocation? 
 
Third, is it possible that in Thailand researchers attempting to explain and combat the spread and persistence of Imperata and other dominant grasses overlook the fact that many of the sites they study have been subject to warfare operations, notably the use of napalm and defoliant and the bulldozing of forests close to the roads? Perhaps, as in Vietnam, recent anthropogenic disturbances are not the only factors one should be investigating. 


References 
Anon (1991) Tak ranger commander assails resettlement scheme. Bangkok Post, (March 11).

Kesmanee C. (1987) Hilltribe Relocation Policy: Is There a Way Out of the Labyrinth? A Case Study of Kamphaeng Phet. Tribal Research Institute. [available from White Lotus press. Thai version is:  Nayobai kan ophayop chaokhao thangook nai khao wongkot: koranee suksa changwat kamphaengphet]

Kesmanee C. (1988) Hilltribe Relocation Policy in Thailand. Cultural Survival Quarterly, 12(4).

Kesmanee C. (1995) Moving Hilltribes People to the Lowlands: The Resettlement Experience in Thailand. In: H. M. Mathur &amp; M. M. Cernea (eds.), Resettlement: Focus on Asian Experiences: Vikas Publishing House PVT LTD.

Pye O. (2005) Khor Jor Kor: Forest Politics in Thailand, Chiang Mai: White Lotus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chupinit Kesmanee talked about large-scale illegal logging following relocation in Western Thailand in three documents published in 1987, 1988 and 1995 (references below). The 1988 and 1995 ones are more or less identical. I can send a copy of these documents by email.</p>
<p>Here’s a long extract of Kesmanee (1987). As you will see, he points out that the pattern of relocation of highlanders followed by illegal logging is reported by several informants in many areas. Its existence is documented by a third party in one area: Mae Wong NP &amp; Khlong Lan NP, Kaemphaeng Phet. As I said before: is it possible professor Miles’ post proves it also occurred in Thung Yai Naresuan WS? </p>
<p>The extract from Kesmanee:  </p>
<p>“Stories from various informants in different locations are consistent in one respect, how, after ordering the hilltribes out, government officers conducted logging operation on a large scale under the guise of hilltribe forest destruction. While the widely held view that such stories are made up by hilltribe people intent on revenge may deserve critical attention, not all such stories can be discounted. Take for example the following information obtained by a news reporter who observed a case at first hand. It clearly deserves considerable weight when assessing villagers claims. </p>
<p>‘The evacuation of more than 900 hilltribe families from national parks in Kamphaeng Phet province to protect watershed areas becomes deplorable when government officers turn into forest destroyers and build timber mills on a large scale. The Third Army and the Royal Forestry Department evacuated hiltribes from Mae Wong National Park, Khlong Kha Lung district, and Khlong Lan National Park, Khlong Lan district, Kamphaneg Phet. Beginning with closing off the Khlong Lan-Umphang Road, Tak Province from 28 February earlier this year. After that, checkpoint were set up to forbid movement in and out beyond km. 57 to all but national park staff. IT appears that after getting rid of the previous inhabitants, Mae Wong National Park staff became forest destroyers, bringing in machines and circular saws to set up mobile timber mills working day and night at 4 bases along hillsides between km. 65 and 100. Ten-wheel trucks transporting the wood for sale in Bangkok passed the various checkpoint easily under the claim of being on high-level Royal Forest Department business. Beginning in June 1986, villagers going up to look for forest products saw the logging and were appalled. They secretly photographed the mobile sawmill in operation and took the evidence to prost to the Third Army, the Royal Forest Department, and the Office of the Prime Minister but nothing happened. Then the government officers became alert, stopped the transport of wood, and brought down all the equipment. The matter died down without any investigation or orders for staff transfer. These government officers became much more daring and resumed logging with say and nearly 50 workers … [Thai Rath, 1986, "Hilltribe Evacuation Makes a Sad Story: Various Officers Take Opportunity for Large-Scale Logging", November 4. (in Thai)]&#8216;</p>
<p>&#8220;The Thai rath news reporter who visited the area saw teak, rubber trees and makhamong wood from large trees that had recently been felled, as well as milled wood being transported out. He also heard the sounds of trees being cut down and machines milling wood. “ (Kesmanee 1987, p. 26-27) </p>
<p>When I read Professor Miles’ post and wrote my comment, I had in mind the three following interrelated questions: </p>
<p>First, to what extent was the drive for relocating population fuelled by the prospects of quick returns from forest exploitation? The pattern relocation-(il)legal logging discussed in his text is reported in at least four areas between 1986 and 1992: (1) Mae Wong NP &amp; Khlong Lan NP (Kesmanee 1987), (2) Phop Phra Relocation center, Phop Phra district, Tak (Anon 1991), and as part of the Khor Jor Kor project (Pye 2005, p 147-9) in (3) Thap Lan NP/Dong Yai forest (Khorat &amp; Buriram) and (4) Dong Kwang Forest (Phu Phan Mtns area, Sakon Nakhon). Did the same pattern also happen in Thung Yai Naresuan?  </p>
<p>Second, did relocating people out of forest areas help increase forest cover? In Phu Langkha, an abandoned area has not rejuvenated into forest cover after several decades. Recently, I spent (some might say wasted) a day or two downloading and comparing satellites images of sites where population resettlement occurred. I was surprised by the results of this very preliminary and sketchy analysis. I looked at four sites from which large populations were resettled : SE Thailand (Chanthaburi/Prachin Buri/Sa Kaeo), Thap Lan NP/Dong Yai forest (Khorat), Doi Luang NP (Lampang) and Mae Wong/Khlong Lan NP (Kamphaeng Phet). In the first two, I saw no changes except further deforestation due apparently to government projects. In the third, there was some very modest reforestation in one area. The analysis in the last area was inconclusive due to the dates the satellites images available were taken (1973, 1989 and 1999, while relocation occurred in 1986). If reforestation occurred, it did so very rapidly between 1986 and 1989. Why has reforestation not followed ? Are these meagre environmental benefits worth the human and financial costs of relocation? </p>
<p>Third, is it possible that in Thailand researchers attempting to explain and combat the spread and persistence of Imperata and other dominant grasses overlook the fact that many of the sites they study have been subject to warfare operations, notably the use of napalm and defoliant and the bulldozing of forests close to the roads? Perhaps, as in Vietnam, recent anthropogenic disturbances are not the only factors one should be investigating. </p>
<p>References<br />
Anon (1991) Tak ranger commander assails resettlement scheme. Bangkok Post, (March 11).</p>
<p>Kesmanee C. (1987) Hilltribe Relocation Policy: Is There a Way Out of the Labyrinth? A Case Study of Kamphaeng Phet. Tribal Research Institute. [available from White Lotus press. Thai version is:  Nayobai kan ophayop chaokhao thangook nai khao wongkot: koranee suksa changwat kamphaengphet]</p>
<p>Kesmanee C. (1988) Hilltribe Relocation Policy in Thailand. Cultural Survival Quarterly, 12(4).</p>
<p>Kesmanee C. (1995) Moving Hilltribes People to the Lowlands: The Resettlement Experience in Thailand. In: H. M. Mathur &amp; M. M. Cernea (eds.), Resettlement: Focus on Asian Experiences: Vikas Publishing House PVT LTD.</p>
<p>Pye O. (2005) Khor Jor Kor: Forest Politics in Thailand, Chiang Mai: White Lotus.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Walker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 04:52:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Comment from Doug Miles:

There is certainly need for readers to call upon anthropologists to be less reticent  about the  Southeast Asian fires and especially to take action in correcting  the stereotype of shifting cultivation as the cause . A brief visit to any clear-felled  site whether the location is under Indonesian, Malaysian or Thai  administration is sufficient to convince any observer that by comparison with the fuming moonscapes which  multinational logging  companies conventionally leave in their wakes , farmers whose  agricultural future depends  on reforestation through coppicing and self- seeding of trees  after the firing of swiddens can make no more than an infinitessimal annual  contribution to the Southeast Asia-wide  burn which so concerns Ricky Walsh and to the monstrously international scale of the pollution which results . I refer to cultivators who have their own very good reasons to deter weed growth by not  overworking   their land  but rather to nurture it by way of long fallow cycles which are evident from  the landscapes illustrated  in my previous post (NM  5 May 2009 : Images 9 &amp; 14)

But no-one can gainsay the responsibility of those same multinational enterprises for the creation of the vast and it seems smoke -belching savannahs near which this well-informed subscriber chokes in outrage at the coal-face of the problem . Southeast Asian governments must give these corporations good reason to know that business prospects can also depend on simplicities such as natural reseeding and coppicing of trees ie on prior commitment to measures to restore the quality of well-worked farmland  rather than to just let it lie waste.

I am glad to be corrected about the identity of the grass in the wastelands of my previous post’s images ( NM 5 May,2009:  Images 12 &amp;13)  and will pass on that professional opinion to those  Bangkok Bird Watchers who have advised  me  differently. Such  botanical details are important and so of course are the subscriber’s titillating hints about the potential usefulness  of such vegetation for roofing or the making of brooms (one fine sample of which my wife  recently bought for me kerbside when by-passing Pitsanolok ).             

But any devoted bird watcher in or out of Bangkok will also insist that it is  even more important  to recognise  that in many contexts flourishing  grasses like imperata of any variety are simply  very hazardous weeds despite the good press they receive  from roofers and broomsmakers.  Thai defenders of the environment have been protesting courageously (but to deaf media) for decades  that whether on or off nature reserves and in or out of wildlife sanctuaries uncontrolled grasslands  of whatever variety become a  menace to tree growth  and  thereby to indigenous  fauna  as well as to sustainable agriculture. But only now  do I realise through  Ricky Walsh that Southeast Asia’s  increasingly extensive areas of savannahs  are also highly combustible and according to him , that their burning is the  major source of of the pollution which has become such a widespread and enduring danger to human health throughout several countries of the region . ( I became aware of the problem before journalists reported it and when afflicted by the effects in Singapore during 1988. )  

The relentless persistence of that threat and the gargantuan dimensions it has assumed to-day  demand more than mere repetition of lip-servicing castigation by media  of a few traditionally equipped farmers in Borneo and Sumatra for slashing and burning the jungle they clear for the tiny swiddens from which they subsist .  The dominant contribution of large-scale commercial clear-felling to the multiplication and expansion of the Southeast Asian grasslands  demands front-page confirmation by  Anthropology and other scholarship in a call in the name of science for the  co-ordinated action by a plurality of  governments and  of the commensurate massive dimensions necessary to engage with the problem literally at the  grassroots of their societies. 

We can be grateful to Ricky Ward who fights fire  well with the pen as he no doubt does also with other technology . He has provided  New Mandala with additiional reasons for  its previous warnings of the dangers  with which the priorities of the multi-national lumber industry  confront Southeast Asian interests. Thank you RW for reminding me that grass also burns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comment from Doug Miles:</p>
<p>There is certainly need for readers to call upon anthropologists to be less reticent  about the  Southeast Asian fires and especially to take action in correcting  the stereotype of shifting cultivation as the cause . A brief visit to any clear-felled  site whether the location is under Indonesian, Malaysian or Thai  administration is sufficient to convince any observer that by comparison with the fuming moonscapes which  multinational logging  companies conventionally leave in their wakes , farmers whose  agricultural future depends  on reforestation through coppicing and self- seeding of trees  after the firing of swiddens can make no more than an infinitessimal annual  contribution to the Southeast Asia-wide  burn which so concerns Ricky Walsh and to the monstrously international scale of the pollution which results . I refer to cultivators who have their own very good reasons to deter weed growth by not  overworking   their land  but rather to nurture it by way of long fallow cycles which are evident from  the landscapes illustrated  in my previous post (NM  5 May 2009 : Images 9 &#038; 14)</p>
<p>But no-one can gainsay the responsibility of those same multinational enterprises for the creation of the vast and it seems smoke -belching savannahs near which this well-informed subscriber chokes in outrage at the coal-face of the problem . Southeast Asian governments must give these corporations good reason to know that business prospects can also depend on simplicities such as natural reseeding and coppicing of trees ie on prior commitment to measures to restore the quality of well-worked farmland  rather than to just let it lie waste.</p>
<p>I am glad to be corrected about the identity of the grass in the wastelands of my previous post’s images ( NM 5 May,2009:  Images 12 &#038;13)  and will pass on that professional opinion to those  Bangkok Bird Watchers who have advised  me  differently. Such  botanical details are important and so of course are the subscriber’s titillating hints about the potential usefulness  of such vegetation for roofing or the making of brooms (one fine sample of which my wife  recently bought for me kerbside when by-passing Pitsanolok ).             </p>
<p>But any devoted bird watcher in or out of Bangkok will also insist that it is  even more important  to recognise  that in many contexts flourishing  grasses like imperata of any variety are simply  very hazardous weeds despite the good press they receive  from roofers and broomsmakers.  Thai defenders of the environment have been protesting courageously (but to deaf media) for decades  that whether on or off nature reserves and in or out of wildlife sanctuaries uncontrolled grasslands  of whatever variety become a  menace to tree growth  and  thereby to indigenous  fauna  as well as to sustainable agriculture. But only now  do I realise through  Ricky Walsh that Southeast Asia’s  increasingly extensive areas of savannahs  are also highly combustible and according to him , that their burning is the  major source of of the pollution which has become such a widespread and enduring danger to human health throughout several countries of the region . ( I became aware of the problem before journalists reported it and when afflicted by the effects in Singapore during 1988. )  </p>
<p>The relentless persistence of that threat and the gargantuan dimensions it has assumed to-day  demand more than mere repetition of lip-servicing castigation by media  of a few traditionally equipped farmers in Borneo and Sumatra for slashing and burning the jungle they clear for the tiny swiddens from which they subsist .  The dominant contribution of large-scale commercial clear-felling to the multiplication and expansion of the Southeast Asian grasslands  demands front-page confirmation by  Anthropology and other scholarship in a call in the name of science for the  co-ordinated action by a plurality of  governments and  of the commensurate massive dimensions necessary to engage with the problem literally at the  grassroots of their societies. </p>
<p>We can be grateful to Ricky Ward who fights fire  well with the pen as he no doubt does also with other technology . He has provided  New Mandala with additiional reasons for  its previous warnings of the dangers  with which the priorities of the multi-national lumber industry  confront Southeast Asian interests. Thank you RW for reminding me that grass also burns.</p>
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		<title>By: Ricky Ward</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ricky Ward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 16:31:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I work on reforestation in Chiang Mai where our No. 1 problem is fire. Huge areas of Imperata grasslands exist in S.E. Asia because frequent burning destroys tree seedlings and advantages grass. The waste land of the pictures most likely results from frequent fire post logging.
Considering annual fires, which the Forest Department records show as never having a confirmed natural cause, bring with them pollution levels up to 6 times the European standard for particulates and an epidemic of  respiratory illness and a tourist boycott, I am surprised the anthropologist readers have not mentioned this.
The army certainly has many crimes to answer for. Today one could ask is it pulling its weight on fire prevention?
The photo labelled Imperata appears to be of a different species. Imperata grass is used for making roofs, the one shown for brooms if I am not mistaken.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I work on reforestation in Chiang Mai where our No. 1 problem is fire. Huge areas of Imperata grasslands exist in S.E. Asia because frequent burning destroys tree seedlings and advantages grass. The waste land of the pictures most likely results from frequent fire post logging.<br />
Considering annual fires, which the Forest Department records show as never having a confirmed natural cause, bring with them pollution levels up to 6 times the European standard for particulates and an epidemic of  respiratory illness and a tourist boycott, I am surprised the anthropologist readers have not mentioned this.<br />
The army certainly has many crimes to answer for. Today one could ask is it pulling its weight on fire prevention?<br />
The photo labelled Imperata appears to be of a different species. Imperata grass is used for making roofs, the one shown for brooms if I am not mistaken.</p>
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		<title>By: aiontay</title>
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		<dc:creator>aiontay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 11:35:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This all very interesting.  I would be interested in knowing more about the agricultural cycle in the village and the crops grown (in addition to opium) by the Yao.   What sort of livestock was raised?
Did the KMT confiscate the Yao&#039;s smaller ponies for transport purposes?  I can imagine land mines could cause serious losses among free ranging cattle.
[For a detailed response to this comment see &lt;a href=&quot;http://rspas.anu.edu.au/rmap/newmandala/2009/05/22/yao-agriculture-and-military-confiscations/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; post.]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This all very interesting.  I would be interested in knowing more about the agricultural cycle in the village and the crops grown (in addition to opium) by the Yao.   What sort of livestock was raised?<br />
Did the KMT confiscate the Yao&#8217;s smaller ponies for transport purposes?  I can imagine land mines could cause serious losses among free ranging cattle.<br />
[For a detailed response to this comment see <a href="http://rspas.anu.edu.au/rmap/newmandala/2009/05/22/yao-agriculture-and-military-confiscations/" rel="nofollow">this</a> post.]</p>
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