Comments on: “The decision to send the army … came from the royal palace” http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2009/05/12/the-decision-to-send-the-army-came-from-the-royal-palace/ New perspectives on mainland Southeast Asia Mon, 23 Nov 2009 03:46:18 +1100 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: kim jung eel http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2009/05/12/the-decision-to-send-the-army-came-from-the-royal-palace/comment-page-1/#comment-651747 kim jung eel Tue, 19 May 2009 11:34:40 +0000 http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/?p=5320#comment-651747 Taro, The other side of the story is ubiquitous in Thailand; not satisfactorily enough ? Taro,
The other side of the story is ubiquitous in Thailand; not satisfactorily enough ?

]]> By: amberwaves http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2009/05/12/the-decision-to-send-the-army-came-from-the-royal-palace/comment-page-1/#comment-651660 amberwaves Mon, 18 May 2009 13:16:55 +0000 http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/?p=5320#comment-651660 Taro Mongkoltip said "No other side of the story. Why?" Umm, you just spent about 200 words to complain, when you could have contributed something about "the other side of the story." I think maybe you have your answer to "Why?" right there. Taro Mongkoltip said “No other side of the story. Why?”

Umm, you just spent about 200 words to complain, when you could have contributed something about “the other side of the story.”

I think maybe you have your answer to “Why?” right there.

]]> By: Taro Mongkoltip http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2009/05/12/the-decision-to-send-the-army-came-from-the-royal-palace/comment-page-1/#comment-651544 Taro Mongkoltip Sun, 17 May 2009 11:55:24 +0000 http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/?p=5320#comment-651544 Aren't you all getting bored with this topic yet? so boring now... Same Board admin posted the same story, from different columnists because they believe in the same conspiracy. And then same observers and some new blog readers split into two groups, argued the same old topic over again and again.. so boringgggggggggg..............! Can you ask the board admin for once? Why have you NEVER posted the other side of this Thai monarchy stories? Story about The King and his family have done something good for his people. Or something about Thaksin's conspiracy where he wanted to be the first Thailand's president? or something else, more diversify, more academic, more to be like university style, NOT for your own personal agenda. "Oh yeah yeah right, wow, I found another columnist agreed with me that The King is behind this whole problems. yeahh wow.. I have to post it in my board. woo hoo.. more people agreed with me. SEE!! I told you all there is one more person agreed with me. The king is behind the whole thing ha ha ha. I don't care about the other columnists that have different opinions. I'm gonna post only the one that agreed with me." Well... i went back and checked what you have posted in this board. And it's true.. No other side of the story. Why? Aren’t you all getting bored with this topic yet? so boring now… Same Board admin posted the same story, from different columnists because they believe in the same conspiracy. And then same observers and some new blog readers split into two groups, argued the same old topic over again and again..

so boringgggggggggg…………..!

Can you ask the board admin for once? Why have you NEVER posted the other side of this Thai monarchy stories? Story about The King and his family have done something good for his people. Or something about Thaksin’s conspiracy where he wanted to be the first Thailand’s president? or something else, more diversify, more academic, more to be like university style, NOT for your own personal agenda. “Oh yeah yeah right, wow, I found another columnist agreed with me that The King is behind this whole problems. yeahh wow.. I have to post it in my board. woo hoo.. more people agreed with me. SEE!! I told you all there is one more person agreed with me. The king is behind the whole thing ha ha ha. I don’t care about the other columnists that have different opinions. I’m gonna post only the one that agreed with me.”

Well… i went back and checked what you have posted in this board. And it’s true.. No other side of the story. Why?

]]> By: doctorJ http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2009/05/12/the-decision-to-send-the-army-came-from-the-royal-palace/comment-page-1/#comment-650823 doctorJ Fri, 15 May 2009 09:15:22 +0000 http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/?p=5320#comment-650823 henry Huang Yeah, I do remember the famous Harry Nicolaides. And do remember his picture, being chained up arms and legs. Didn't it look medieval in your eyes? The fact is, anyone being prosecuted for serious crime ( of course, lesse majeste is a SERIOUS crime in Thailand ) will be chained up ONLY when being transfered out of the prison, but not chained up all the time ( a tiny bit of humanitarianism remains ). Don't get me wrong, the idea of jailing one 15 years for insulting someone. never endears me. Just want to share an exact picture of what Thai prison looks like. ( but not from my own experience for sure ) henry Huang

Yeah, I do remember the famous Harry Nicolaides. And do remember his picture, being chained up arms and legs. Didn’t it look medieval in your eyes? The fact is, anyone being prosecuted for serious crime ( of course, lesse majeste is a SERIOUS crime in Thailand ) will be chained up ONLY when being transfered out of the prison, but not chained up all the time ( a tiny bit of humanitarianism remains ).

Don’t get me wrong, the idea of jailing one 15 years for insulting someone. never endears me. Just want to share an exact picture of what Thai prison looks like. ( but not from my own experience for sure )

]]> By: henry Huang http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2009/05/12/the-decision-to-send-the-army-came-from-the-royal-palace/comment-page-1/#comment-650768 henry Huang Fri, 15 May 2009 03:39:28 +0000 http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/?p=5320#comment-650768 Hey Dr. Jay, haven't you seen Harry , the Australian teacher who was jailed for the same reason, chained while he appeared in court with both his hands and legs chained? That picture appeared on nawspaper all over the world. If you haven't seen it, please check into any old columns concerning this news. You can open your eyes and see for yourself. For God sake! 15 years in jail for criticizing someone, can you accept that? Hey Dr. Jay, haven’t you seen Harry , the Australian teacher who was jailed for the same reason, chained while he appeared in court with both his hands and legs chained? That picture appeared on nawspaper all over the world. If you haven’t seen it, please check into any old columns concerning this news. You can open your eyes and see for yourself. For God sake! 15 years in jail for criticizing someone, can you accept that?

]]> By: antipadshist http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2009/05/12/the-decision-to-send-the-army-came-from-the-royal-palace/comment-page-1/#comment-650577 antipadshist Thu, 14 May 2009 12:37:44 +0000 http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/?p=5320#comment-650577 Snoh hits back "Democrat is coup leader" http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2009/05/14/politics/politics_30102683.php Snoh hits back “Democrat is coup leader”
http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2009/05/14/politics/politics_30102683.php

]]> By: jonfernquest http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2009/05/12/the-decision-to-send-the-army-came-from-the-royal-palace/comment-page-1/#comment-650487 jonfernquest Thu, 14 May 2009 08:58:36 +0000 http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/?p=5320#comment-650487 In both the Indonesian and the Thai cases it was about reallocating the rents to a new set of elites, that is what Thaksin was doing (See Thanee Chaiwat and Pasuk Phongpaichit, Rents and rent-seeking in the Thaksin era, in Thai Capital after the 1997 Crisis, 2008). Decisive or not-decisive, with or without resolution, that is one way to characterize recent political conflict in Asia. Tianamen was decisive, anti-Suharto was decisive, Iraq post-2003 was not decisive, 1992 in Thailand was decisive, Burma post 1991 was not decisive, Thailand post -2006 is not decisive. Some conflicts just drag on and on and thus bring the whole society down with them . Decisiveness and resolution can be a good in and of itself, no matter which way it goes. In both the Indonesian and the Thai cases it was about reallocating the rents to a new set of elites, that is what Thaksin was doing (See Thanee Chaiwat and Pasuk Phongpaichit, Rents and rent-seeking in the Thaksin era, in Thai Capital after the 1997 Crisis, 2008).

Decisive or not-decisive, with or without resolution, that is one way to characterize recent political conflict in Asia.

Tianamen was decisive, anti-Suharto was decisive, Iraq post-2003 was not decisive, 1992 in Thailand was decisive, Burma post 1991 was not decisive, Thailand post -2006 is not decisive.

Some conflicts just drag on and on and thus bring the whole society down with them .

Decisiveness and resolution can be a good in and of itself, no matter which way it goes.

]]> By: doctorJ http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2009/05/12/the-decision-to-send-the-army-came-from-the-royal-palace/comment-page-1/#comment-650410 doctorJ Thu, 14 May 2009 04:02:29 +0000 http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/?p=5320#comment-650410 Henry Huang Don't overdramatize Thai prison, they aren't chained 24/7. The 15 years term is already bad enough for anyone convicted by the draconian law. BTW, is anyone interested in 'Thai-ian' instead of 'draconian' ? Henry Huang

Don’t overdramatize Thai prison, they aren’t chained 24/7.
The 15 years term is already bad enough for anyone convicted by the draconian law.

BTW, is anyone interested in ‘Thai-ian’ instead of ‘draconian’ ?

]]> By: Henry Huang http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2009/05/12/the-decision-to-send-the-army-came-from-the-royal-palace/comment-page-1/#comment-650134 Henry Huang Wed, 13 May 2009 08:15:26 +0000 http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/?p=5320#comment-650134 I would like to thank Mr. Hartcher for his wonderful article. I wish The Sydney Morning Herald publish more of this article to inform the world of the truth that is huanting Thailand for the last four years. Thailand is becoming a fear state. We have no more freedom of expressions. More and more people were arrested for their comments. In order to protect the royal family who is behind all these messes, the present government and the army deploy a stiff lese majeste law of up to 15 years in prison for those who criticize the royal famil. People who were jailed with this sentence were beaten up by guards. They were forced to wear chains on their legs at all time. I would like to thank Mr. Hartcher for his wonderful article. I wish The Sydney Morning Herald publish more of this article to inform the world of the truth that is huanting Thailand for the last four years. Thailand is becoming a fear state. We have no more freedom of expressions. More and more people were arrested for their comments. In order to protect the royal family who is behind all these messes, the present government and the army deploy a stiff lese majeste law of up to 15 years in prison for those who criticize the royal famil. People who were jailed with this sentence were beaten up by guards. They were forced to wear chains on their legs at all time.

]]> By: anon http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2009/05/12/the-decision-to-send-the-army-came-from-the-royal-palace/comment-page-1/#comment-650065 anon Tue, 12 May 2009 21:04:38 +0000 http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/?p=5320#comment-650065 The only question is whether the Ambassador will deny the article's claims immediately, or whether he will get confirmation from the palace first. :) The only question is whether the Ambassador will deny the article’s claims immediately, or whether he will get confirmation from the palace first. :)

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