[UPDATE Sunday evening: here is another account of the aftermath.]
A reader has posted this account of the scene at Phan Fa in the comments to last night’s post on the crackdown.
I have just returned from the Pan Fa Bridge, after deciding to go and get a dose of reality on what I had been reading and writing about all day.
For starters, it was impossible to get close to in a taxi- since the Army retreat the Red Shirt guards have pushed out their perimeter and checkpoints a good three blocks or so, and the roads leading into it was jammed up with tens of thousands of protesters and sympathisers who had come to join the massive crowd already there.
Walking toward the protest, I noticed that there was a feeling of defiance in the air, but also weariness. All those walking back in the other direction looked extremely tired, and many were covered in grime, if not cuts and bruises. I also noticed here and there individuals (as well as an entire family, children included) who appeared to have “souvenired” some police helmets, riot shields and batons somewhere along the way.
I arrived at the stage area just in time for the commencement of a very moving commemoration for the dead, some of whom were physically present on stage, draped in Thai flags. Their names (including that of the Japanese journalist) were called out, and they were all hailed as heroes. The UDD leaders appeared to prostrate themselves before the bodies while monks chanted (and the crowd responded in unison) and people filed past before the stage to pay their respects.
All the while, Red Shirt guards were bringing in seized weapons, including a machine gun heavy enough that it could almost be classified as light artillery (and which I would later discover the origin of), and were piling them up on the corner of the stage. It is worth noting that the protesters have seized weapons before from the police and military during previous clashes. At one point they actually seized a prized LRAD sound weapon mounted atop a Humvee. In those cases they returned the weapons after agreements had been reached with the military. I realised that they would not be returned in this case.
I then began moving through the crowd (which by then had expanded to at least 50 000 in the immediate vicinity alone) toward Democracy Monument, remembering that it was in that area that some of the worst fighting had been reported. The Monument itself had been wrapped in red cloth, a powerful image if I ever saw one. But nothing could prepare me for what I saw next:
A column of Armoured Personnel Carriers extending into one of the side streets. Swarming all over them were hundreds of red shirts, who were literally tearing them to pieces with their bare hands. Occasionally, they would stop so a middle-class Bangkok family could come and pose in front of the APC’s, perhaps lifting their children up on top for a better shot, but it wasn’t long until the demolitions began again in earnest.
At one point, a smiling local offered me “a chair from a Thai tank.” It was a truly amazing scene, and thankfully I wasn’t alone to witness it: hundreds of tourists from Khao San were capturing every second on their expensive cameras mine, (mine unfortunately, wasn’t working.)
I talked to one English backpacker who looked a little too pale, and he told me that he had seen someone shot in the head in front of him and had captured it all on film.
But one didn’t need video evidence to know that violence had taken place there. The doors of all the shop-houses up and down the streets were riddled with the dents of rubber bullets. The streets themselves had been transformed into a mosaic of broken glass, stones and other debris. And then there was the blood.
The spots in which people had been killed had been transformed into shrines, fenced off, already littered with money, food and other offerings, and with Red Shirt storytellers on hand to relate to the sightseers the epic tale of their final hours. Being a hot country, the blood had not even congealed yet, and was sitting on the ground for everyone to plainly see.
There were more shrines and pools of blood at the entry to the haven of bohemians the world over, Khao San Rd. itself. That image of the road- the most desolate and empty I have ever seen it, blocked off by bullethole-ridden vehicles and makeshift barricades, will never leave my head, and nor would the sight of the bewildered tourists picking their way through the rubble, pulling their suitcases along behind them, clearly having gotten off the plane only hours earlier and wondering just what they had gotten themselves into.
The biggest shock of the night, however, was the missing portraits. You know the ones I mean. (Apologies, but I am writing this from inside Thailand and do not feel like a Computer Crimes charge.) The ones that you can see at least 3 of no matter which direction you look in while you are in the Old City. They had been taken down, leaving behind only empty frames and wooden scaffolding.
I dare not speculate what might have been the reason for this- I’ll leave that to you- but I will add that the massive golden banner with his face that usually hangs across the face of one of the buildings had been replaced by a purple one with a with his daughter on it.
By that time, rumours were spreading like wildfire that a coup and crackdown by the hardliners was imminent, so we decided it was time to go home. On the way, the Red Shirt roadblock warned our taxi driver that soldiers were incoming- and sure enough, they were everywhere to be seen along the sidestreets and back alleys from Dusit all the way to Victory Monument, looking hot and bothered and still carrying their M16’s.
So, that’s all for tonight. Returned home feeling very strange about having stepped into a moment in history that Thailand seems all too fond of revisiting. I hope for the countries sake that the Red Shirts get the change they are seeking. No other resistance in Thai history has ever accomplished what they have tonight. And I hope that noone will ever need to do the same again.
Thank you. Very much appreciate these comments.
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What’s the timeline for this report?
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BTW, sorry, forgot:
Thanks a lot to you and all the others reporting!
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I have RT it few times – this is THE BEST story I’ve read so far !
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“I hope for the countries sake that the Red Shirts get the change they are seeking. No other resistance in Thai history has ever accomplished what they have tonight.”
What a bold thing to write. Pray tell me what have they accomplished tonight?? While you as a farang may have very good intentions, it comes across as an arrogant sense of entitlement to voice such a strong opinion one way or the other.
Thai people killing Thai people is not an accomplishment. Let us hope that a peaceful resolution can be found, that this wound doesn’t fester or deepen, and that the way forward is indeed constructive and good for the country as a whole.
RM
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Good report. Thank you for taking the time to record your eyewitness account for those of us following events from the safety of our homes.
I suspect the portraits had been removed due to respect (concern they might get peppered by bullets and flying debris from the anticipated crackdown), rather than republicanism.
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This ‘report’ is drooling with ill intended macabre glamour and smells of lies at every single line.
I can’t believe you can delusion yourself so deeply.
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Well said, Roberto Marsalis. As outsiders, it’s not our position or right to champion one side or another. Everyone has opinions and is welcome to voice them, but it’s really difficult for most of us to appreciate most of the subtleties of this long-running political impasse.
More importantly, why do we cheer these random, well-meaning but naive fellow Farang ‘observers’–? I appreciate everyone’s desire to witness history. However, by going down to Rachadamnoen just to ‘check things out,’ you’re adding to the problem. You increase traffic congestion, making it harder for first responders to get to where they’re needed. You increase the pressure on both security forces and protestors. There are official representatives and plenty of independent media, Thai and foreign, whose job it is to get the word out. It’s not your job. If the word weren’t getting out, that would be different–but it is. So you’re really not helping.
Additionally, what happens when you wander down there in your sense of ‘it can’t happen to me’ and get injured or killed? First, you draw away medical assets from injured folks who actually have a right to be there. Second, you throw off the whole balance, as an even more intensive blame game starts–who killed the ‘innocent’ foreigner? And what are the long-term impacts towards the Thai economy? Sadly, even if dozens of Thais are killed, foreigners will psychologically recover pretty quickly. However, let just one foreign tourist get killed…what psychological effect will that have on people considering a trip here, even months down the road when/if things calm down? And you DO know the critical role that tourism plays in the Thai economy? What does that do to the thousands of Thais whose everyday income depends on tourists? That kind of long-term crippling action towards Thailand’s tourism income is not that of anyone who claims to care about the country–Thai, foreign or otherwise.
This is real. Think of someone besides yourself, and keep a distance. Thais are engaged in a conflict over the future of their nation…and these ‘observers’ are getting a cool story to tell in a bar. Nice.
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The fact that the red-shirts are fighting and dying for elections will make it hard for the civilised world not to be on their side, and it seems likely that they will get what they demand. Given the bias previously shown by Thai electoral officials in disqualifying representatives from their side of politics, it seems likely that the reds will demand that the elections be supervised by the UN.
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EDIT: Sorry for the lack of timeline- I arrived at the Red Shirt roadblock at around 11pm, saw the memorial service at around 11:30-12-:00, arrived at the APC’s at 12:30, and went home after 1am.
And for those of you doubting my story, I don’t know what there is to doubt. I didn’t see any of the action firsthand, I just saw the aftermath. Take it or leave it, but AFAIK the Army hasn’t returned yet so the APC’s (or what’s left of them) should be left sitting on the edge of the Democracy Monument roundabout if you want to verify it with someone else. And almost EVERYONE I saw had cameras, so there will be plenty of videos and pictures running around.
Here’s one for starters: (1st of 4)
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“…he massive golden banner with [H]is face that usually hangs across the face of one of the buildings had been replaced by a purple one with a with [H]is daughter on it.”
Curious indeed. While all and sundry were debating and bemoaning the closing of Siam Paragon’s retail environs, very few appreciated the proximity of that protest site to Sra Pathum palace, the pied-a-terre of the selfsame Princess.
Combine this with a recent disinterest in the traditional protest site at Sanam Luang where one might gain the attention of another Authority… Perhaps Team Red is signally something just a bit beyond refreshing of elective democracy?
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Roberto Marsalis, I urge you to study our history. And to find that the writer of this report speaks the truth. The hint is there, only you need some background to understands it.
The problem in this country didn’t just started over night. It has been here for a LONG time.
As the writer said, wouldn’t want to run into LM, would we? So I’ll stop here.
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“…he massive golden banner with [H]is face that usually hangs across the face of one of the buildings had been replaced by a purple one with a with [H]is daughter on it.”
Would not read too much into this. Think it was just to mark her birthday on 2nd April.
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Justin, per your account:
1. “I then began moving through the crowd (which by then had expanded to at least 50 000 in the immediate vicinity alone) toward Democracy Monument” How do you know it was ‘at least 50,000? How do you go about estimating crowd size?
2. “A column of Armoured Personnel Carriers extending into one of the side streets. Swarming all over them were hundreds of red shirts, who were literally tearing them to pieces with their bare hands.” Really? Human beings tearing apart armoured vehicles with their bare hands? Wonderful imagery but a bit fantastical?
3. “By that time, rumours were spreading like wildfire that a coup and crackdown by the hardliners was imminent, so we decided it was time to go home. ” Hardliners? You mean the Thai government whom the Thai Supreme Court had declared had within its constitutional power to declare a state of emergency? Being one with the people. though, feels good, doesn’t it?
4. “The spots in which people had been killed had been transformed into shrines, fenced off, already littered with money, food and other offerings, and with Red Shirt storytellers on hand to relate to the sightseers the epic tale of their final hours.” Wonderful way to glorify death and sacrifice. Wow, wish I were there to experience it!
Your story was a breathless account. Not sure it it was meant for a political rally (of the already converted) or uncoloured reporting of what’s going on. For the latter, I’ll stick to AP, Reuters, and the like.
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Regarding the empty portrait frames, I would point out that Princess Sirindhorn’s birthday is April 2nd and I have seen numerous pics and clips of street scenes recently which prominently feature her portrait.
While not discounting that portraits of HRH and/or HMK may have been removed “due to respect (concern they might get peppered by bullets and flying debris….”, it’s also possible that they were just in mid-changeover and overtaken by events.
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Hear hear Pharris….
Justin, the facts of your ‘on the ground’ report is enlightening and appreciated… However the sensationalist imagery and emotive language in your account draws skepticism about the jpurnalistic value of your account… honestly WHY would anyone not supporting the political ideology put themselves in harm’s way by heading to these protest areas after ‘violence’ has been reported or even warned. (Unless you are a true journalist of course). And this fact alone begs me to question the soundness of your rationalisations and conclusions. Notwithstanding that the aftermath of any scene of violence anywhere (a football match or otherwise) should evoke the emotional response evident in your report – the lack of true and researched analysis and subsequent assumptions and conclusions are just not worthy of journalistic publication.
The greatest sadness of this current situation is the fact that the impoverished of Thailand whether adorned in yellow or red are merely pawns in a larger battle for personal wealth and power for a few elite. Propaganda (media control) and inciteful commentary being the tools of choice. After all – were any leaders harmed? Are they really that well protected? (Hardly they were in clear view of me on stage when I headed down a few days ago). It’s all ‘by design’. So why the elite can’t simply ‘jockey for power’ in boardrooms rather than inciting and manipulating ‘the people’ is criminal. How is it that a full stage, with marquees, and a veritable carnivale atmosphere can be established in the heart of Bangkok with absoloutley no intervention by police??? Because it is all part of the way that ‘political play’ occurs in Thailand.
How is it that a demonstration can be declared as ‘peaceful’ by protest leaders whilst they continue to emphasise ‘the lack of weaponry’ by their protesters as compared with the police/army, yet their demonstrators hold molotov cocktails, wooden sticks, hurl bottles and eggs at police? (oh…. and grenades!)
It is hot and steamy on the streets, their are folk who qualify as the ‘poor of Thailand’ in this group, they have been sleeping on the pavements for the last week, they have had PAs blasting noise at them consistently for the last week about how they have been wronged, they are part of a ‘group’…. they belong… this is ‘mob mentality’ poised – “Just give them a reason”…. there’s your disaster – control and manipulation.
…and who will win? Truly … who will win? Whilst leaders of whatever ideology continue to line their own pockets.
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@ Pharris
1. I’m basing my estimates on comparisons between the size of the crowd at its widely accepted “peak” a few weeks ago (conservative estimates placing it at around 100 000 to 150 000) to what it was that evening. I’ve been back and forth between the rallies at Central World and Pan Fa for the last few weeks and don’t feel particularly overwhelmed by very large crowds any more.
2. I understand your scepticism but assure you I’m barely exaggerating. When I turned up, the insides of the APC’s were already stripped for parts, and I didn’t see anyone with tools. I did see, on the other hand, hundreds of people walking away with various engine parts, including air filters and carburettors, seats and levers, not to mention various bits and bobs from the heavy machine guns they were stripping down. One of the vehicles (which I am guessing from photos taken earlier was the Army’s psy-ops truck) was already half missing, and was busy getting its radiator levered off by a guy with a bamboo stick. And further up the road, Humvees were getting rolled over by Red Shirts, all of whom seemed to be taking their (justified) anger out on the armoured cars.
3. Please. Come back to me when you know a little more about the less-reported sides of Thai politics.
4. Make no mistake- the Red Shirts are prepared to die to see their democratic rights re-instated. I have spoken to many of them who told me exactly that. The people who died last night are heroes in the eyes of the Red Shirts and have (in the memorial service held last night) and will continue to be (through stories such as the ones I heard their comrades relating to the assembled audiences at the actual site) regarded as such. Please show some respect for the dead and what they were fighting for.
If it was a breathless account it was because it was written at 3:30am and I was tired. And I will remind you that much of what you read in the press (even the international press) is simply recycled versions of “official” (read: state-owned) facts and figures, which have a vested interest in sounding dry and uninteresting at the very least, frenzied and blood-thirsty in their call to arms against the pro-democracy activists at the very worst. In Thailand, you learn to trust your own eyes very quickly.
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@ Good News.
I’m no journalist. I’m a politics student currently living in Thailand. And I make no secret of supporting the UDD and the so-called “Six Principles” it stands for. Again, take my word or leave it. I didn’t write this to convert anyone, I just needed to relate what I saw last night and I thought you guys might have been interested. But I’m afraid to say that there are no such things as “neutral” sources inside Thailand anymore- and everyone who claims to be one either doesn’t know enough about the situation, truly isn’t interested, or has an agenda of their own.
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And I’ll refer you to this facebook page for pictures from this morning (copied from other thread.)
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5477331&id=767838377&fbid=430234148377#!/photo.php?pid=5477331&id=767838377&fbid=430234148377
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Justin it was a great read. It’s the only report that has come close to the
output of the photo journalists in documenting the drama of this period in
Thai history.
Thanks.
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Thanks Justin for the best piece of writing I have read in the past few days. You might have been tired, but you were also very inspired.
It’s amazing how some people are so blinded by their hatred of Thaksin that they not only approve of all sort of ugly things but have no tolerance even for eye witness accounts that don’t fit in their Manichaean political views.
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Justin Alick: ‘Just needed to relate what I saw last night’. Fine, but the whole tone of your piece shows where your emotions and sympathies lie, so you contradict yourself in saying you’re not trying to convert anyone. At least you own up to having pro-UDD views in your reply (views not unlike many others on this forum).
And please stop belittling others (such as Good News) who happen not to buy wholesale into the oh-so-wonderfully-democratic-and-just Red movement.
Some of us do have a deeper and longer term view of Thai political history – I myself studied it at university and continue to read widely on the subject. I would have thought as a politics student you would have a much more nuanced and balanced view of how the current situation has got to where it has, and the agendas, manipulations and subplots on all sides.
By the way, I’m not a PAD/Yellow supporter and disagree with the 2006 coup was the right way to go abour checking the excesses of Thaksin. However, despite the undoubted geniune democratic desires and sentiment of some of the grass-roots reds, to think that the movement has nothing to do with Thaksin’s agenda, or the self-serving program of the red leaders, is both simplistic and naive. The red masses are being manipulated in much the same way as much of the PAD were during the airport shutdowns…..
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I’ve added a link to another account at the top of this post.
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Everyone who followed the announcements in the last days know exactly why the pictures are removed. Everybody knows who ordered that the protests have to stop before songkran starts at thuesday.
Even the Bangkok Post quoted that a very very high person ordered this.
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Regarding the you-know-who’s pics: I went for a stroll up the boulevard this afternoon to take a look. All ‘frames’ are surrounded by neat scaffolding, so it’s clear that they were taken down by some official type people.
Actually there *is* one remaining poster of him at the end of Saphan Phan Fa furthest from stage and opposite the Phra Thep poster mentioned above. These two posters are just that: large posters. Presumably not quite the same as the more hieratic-looking medallion-framed items which have been taken down.
Call me a cynic, but I can easily imagine old Prem saying something along the lines of “I don’t want him to see the ‘sacrifices’ you boys are going to have to make for him”.
Interestingly, looks like the Red Shirts made good use of those heraldic BMA metal escutcheon-like thingies – either as barricade components or projectiles (not sure).. but plenty lying about where they don’t belong.
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To many of you it is well known that the mainstream media in Thailand is rather tilted to the right, often sympathising if not downright owned by the so called yellows.
The Nation is one of these media outlets, controlled by Nation Multimedia Group PLC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Nation_(Thailand)
Anyway, the online edition of this paper (www.nationmultimedia.com) has a weblog section in which its Managing Editor, Thanong Khanthong is its principal contributor.
Apparently he is also in charge of censorship, in the most biased way possible, and far from any journalistic principles he is uphold to keep. While allowing certain bloggers to call for the mass murder of all the demonstrators with impunity – which in itself is against the law in Thailand – he has now started to ban the voices of opposition and dissent within this blog environment.
My pseudonym, Kaweeka, is now effectively banned, unable to login into the site. Before he would just delete many of my comments, especially when they were critical of the newspaper’s bias and distortions of the news.
It is clear to me that The Nation epitomises the double standards that the reds complain about, as it lack journalistic integrity. I am sure that there are many nationalists and elites that will defend them, but any centrist, middle of the road and fair minded person has and continues to criticise this paper for its slanderous bias towards anything that is midly critical of the yellow agenda.
By censoring bloggers that disagree with their ideology puts them in my Red Alert list and I hope it joins yours.
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Great piece of writing, Justin! I wish I could have been with you.
@Kaweeka: my pseudonym, Khamala, was also banned from the Nation forum and all that while the fascists in there are calling for blood…
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Kaweeka – good post. The Nation used to be a good newspaper –
but found itself facing bankruptcy, as a result of the global economic crisis and world-wide crisis for print media facing competition from the internet, sharply dropping advertising revenue, etc. It’s interesting that Nation seems to have recovered somewhat financially (i.e. it is still going, when before it faced imminent collapse!).
Now I wonder where the golden coin could be coming from to keep it going. Gold manna from the Gods in heaven.
Nation still does have some journalists willing to post the news, rather than propaganda. And even worse than Thanong on the propaganda front is Onkapa : he’s been doing it for longer.
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Peter,
Everyone doesn’t know. I follow the news and I try to read between the lines but the obfuscation, the censorship, the doubletalk, the coded language is so thick that I have only glimmers of understanding and I’m doubtful about them.
I think I know what you’re saying . At least , I can guess what you’re saying. You may be right. You may be wrong. The problem is the way that political discourse in this country is forced into secretive statements and whispers that speak only to those in the know. Or who think they are in the know. Who is the very very high person?
I don’t know.
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Kaweeka (#28)…..
To be honest, I really think you’re well out of there. I’ve looked through Thanong’s blog from time to time and even attempted to post a couple of times (neither was published). But Thanong seems fixated not just by his own fantastical delusions of what he “knows” but also by his need for embarrassingly small-minded and infantile yah-boo sessions with correspondents – to the exclusion of actually conducting a discussion. On the rare occasions when a sensible post is accepted, he conspicuously ignores or at best sidesteps any coherent points raised.
As with comparable individuals who go on splattering their tunnel-vision distortions here and anywhere else they can insert themselves, he’s clearly incapable of separating fact from wishful speculation and, in any case, dismisses out of hand anything that doesn’t dovetail with his dogma. See them for what they are – and don’t feed them.
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#32 “Who is the very very high person?’
There are several. Sure, General Prem is the real bete noire. Do I think he is evil? In parts. His ideas sometimes work out that way, I suppose. I guess he sees himself as some sort of protector for a certain very naive & tempestuos (but aging) playboy. He may have even been commanded to take this role.
I really think General Prem’s biggest problem is that he was in the way of Thaksin’s plans to be the successor’s right-hand man. And just like hydro-plants in Burma & Laos, and splitting the offshore oil concessions with Hun Sen, old Square Face really was planning to muscle in and soak up some debts for his own long-term profit. Visions of the IJA, feeding opium to Poo Ye, definitely spring to mind.
What would Thaksin be if General Prem died? Chairman of the Privy Council most probably. A glorious retirement from a stunning PM-ship, and guaranteed he would have been far more obnoxious than Prem has ever been. But things HAVE misfired somewhat. He might be pardoned, and get every last baht of his ill-gotten gains back, but he most certainly isn’t going to get Prem’s job when the old boy snuffs it. Such a shame …..
Oh, but i forget! Thaksin is now ….. history
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Let’s forget that Mr. Prem isn’t the only big player on the field here- there is another person that has even more to gain or lose from a very big situation that may or may not occur this year. A person who has fallen out of favour with palace Old Guards like Prem, and who might be (see grenade attacks around the capital and on the troop tent last night) looking for support from the Reds for what is to come.
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@kaweeka and khamala
I used to enjoy the Nation weblog, though its a piss poor place for along time, with a lot of insufferable smugness from its main contributors.
Kaweeka
I am not really surprised you got banned you would stalk Thanongs blogs incessantly, you just got up his nose.
As for Khamala, you were just an immature, and rather patronising litle girl who wanted to be banned, you got what you wanted.
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#35
Keep talking if you can.
On another note, I see the Democrat Party might be officially wound up. Well we always knew it could happen. It is not a big surprise. Suthep is a man who I wouldn’t trust one inch. Will they conform? I think they should. We have too many bloody lawbreakers here already. And if the EC makes a judgement I’m inclined to say it should be put into force.
One wonders at the consequences of the above. Personally speaking, I could live with a majorityThai Ruk Thai government (they would rename it so eventually), with Thaksin back in power with all his assets and some, and a tailor- constitution for mass corruption. I’ve seen it all before, in every recent government. No point in greiving about a democracy that never was.
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Regarding the winding up of the Dems. They are not my favorite party. (Not that there is any party out there worth bothering to score on that criteria. All much of a corrupt arrogant muddle they are.)
Perhaps better the evil we already know. And we know a great deal about Thaksin. Although he could snuff it soon. I doubt it, somehow. He probably has some relatively minor prostate problem that he can buy the best doctors to treat (with dosh stolen from the state at our expense).
As Thaksin is now ….. history in the redshirts and on NM, the above comment shouldn’t be too controversial with the NM rentamob.
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“There were photos of the flag bearer shot in the head on Dinso. His death is emerging as one of the iconic images of the fighting, captured as it happened on video and by cameras and mobile phones. I asked if anybody knew is name, where he was from. A middle-aged woman with a cherubic face and wire-frame glasses told me he was Nattawut Paentong, 36, from Samut Prakarn, a province neighbouring Bangkok, where he worked for a district administration organization. In death he looked strangely at peace.”
Rest In Peace Khun Paentong. You died fighting for what you believe in!
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W2A#37 – I don’t think Thaksin can ever come back to Thailand without facing an extremely high risk of assassination : it’s a trap being laid for him.
Sure – he could return to Lanna and Lao Isaarn – probably without any problem.
But – Bangkok, southern Thailand : no way, if he values his life.
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@longway: immature is kind of cute; especially when ‘mature’ means justifying censorship.
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I hate censorship and the nanny-knows-best mentality behind it. Who has a monopoly on knowledge, truth and insight?
The electorate are not to see, hear or say anything, is this the brave new world and the future for Thailand?
For starters, there should be a broad acceptance that we live in a pluralist society. people have different opinions, world wide.
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