Observers continue to ask what the real position of the Royal Thai Army in the current political crisis is. A frustrating lack of access and information has made credible answers to questions about that position difficult. This writer’s access to a number of RTA officers leads him to offer the following thoughts on the matter. He concludes that a crisis within the RTA’s officer corps scarcely less grave than one in Thailand’s politics had brought about an alarming state of affairs for the country.
While Army commander Gen Anupong Paojinda was insisting on Sunday that the Royal Thai Army remained solidly united “behind the nation, the people and His Majesty,” many senior and junior officers were cynically asking themselves whether their leader was just trying to convince himself of this unity in front of the public.
In an effort to outline the script for the end of at least this round of Thailand’s protracted political conflict, the Queen’s protégé Gen Anupong was appearing on a talk show with the country’s Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva. During the appearance, the 45-year-old premier made clear that he is betting on the nationalist, royalist, and putatively moderate voices which have emerged spontaneously among Thai netizens to challenge call for a dissolution of parliament made by the pro-Thaksin United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD) and its demonstrators. To support these voices, his government also seems to have used the tools of the state to mobilize “followers” and promote the emergence of groups of “multi-coloured shirts” in more than 20 provinces. In Bangkok, the Centre for the Resolution of the Emergency Situation (CRES) has talked with representatives of 78 local communities in the capital to encourage that their residents refrain from joining the “unlawful” Red Shirt rallies.
In the first weeks of the Red Shirt demonstrations, which recommenced on 12 March, Bangkokians questioned the prime minister’s decisiveness. But since the 10 April clash between military forces and the protestors near Democracy Monument and the resultant toll of 25 deaths (21 civilians) and nearly 900 injured persons (again mostly civilians), Abhisit has become a new man. He has spoken in forceful tones of his placing national security before his own and his cabinet’s security. He has made clear his determination to set a precedent that the rule of law must be upheld.
The premier may really believe that he is undertaking this noble task of “changing the country for the better, working for the Thai people, and laying strong foundations for political reform and the reform of land rights”—a crucial step that would solve the grievances of many UDD supporters. This belief may explain his willingness to risk adding his name to history’s list of notorious leaders—almost all soldiers—who have presided over the deaths of large numbers of their own people.But Abhisit’s present convictions and his actions appear to take little account of the deep political crisis within the RTA officer corps. It is impossible to understand just how dangerous Thailand’s current situation is without an appreciation of that military crisis.
While Abhisit has been developing his new, decisive, uncompromising line, Gen Anupong, a member of the military academy’s Pre-Cadet Class 10, has been doing some hard thinking and executing some shrewd maneuvers. He has enjoyed some success in offering subtle, gentlemanly rejections to those urging upon him such thankless tasks as leading another coup to end the current political crisis or cracking down on the demonstrators. He has desperately wanted to retire in peace, without having to worry about Red Shirt revenge against him and his family. But, in the end, he has few choices besides accommodating his subordinate Gen Prayuth Chan-ocha, also a protégé of the Queen, in the latter’s approach to the political crisis of the past month. That approach brought the ugly and confusing results of the operations of the night of 10 April. It was only thanks to the objection of Gen Songkitti Jaggabatara that Gen Prayuth’s determination that a coup be staged that day was overcome.
While Abhisit has argued strongly that parliament must approve the government’s budget before it is dissolved, he also has a strong interest in a smooth annual reshuffle of civilian and uniformed officials. He and his allies need to ensure that people on whom they can rely are in position at the time of the next elections and that they continue to control the security apparatus.
But, on the military side, that reshuffle is an extremely tense matter. Anupong is the key to this delicate transition to an Army commander from Class 12. He in turn requires Prayuth’s guarantee of safety during his retirement from investigation into corruption involving the flawed GT 200 bomb detectors and the multi-million-baht airship that has proved useless in spotting insurgents during actual operations in the Deep South. This factor is central to understanding Anupong’s need to accommodate Prayuth during the present crisis. For his part, and in addition to waiting uneasily for his promotion to Army commander in June or July at the earliest, Prayuth needs to ensure in advance his dominance of the Army during at least the first year of the projected four years that he will spend in that post.
The career concerns of these two officers ladder of these two generals remain crucial to the evolving political situation. They help explain why the mass rallies of the “Prai” are so fierce in their retaliation against the forces of the “Ammat”.
But the military’s problems are more dangerous still. In conversation with this writer, many Army officers have spoken candidly about a certain 90-year-old cavalry officer, about the 83-year-old Father of the Nation, and about these two men’s being those most responsible for the political turbulence of the past four years. “As the soul of the nation, he should warn his wife not to meddle in the national security operations or control her behaviour,” lieutenant generals from Class 11 and Class 14 have remarked. The Queen has openly shown her sympathies to the royalist, middle-class-dominated, Yellow-Shirt People’s Alliance for Democracy (PAD). It is an open secret that Gen Prem Tinsulanonda, chairman of the Privy Council, is in strong alliance with the Queen.
But the forces of alliance between the Queen and Gen Prem alliance suffered the most damaging casualties in the 10 April clash at Dinso Road in front of Satri Withaya School. Promotions have for some time rewarded officers who enjoyed the benevolence of the Queen and Gen Prem, to the dissatisfaction of members of other classes and factions. Bed-ridden senior officers now recovering from injuries sustained on 10 April in the special ward on the twentieth floor of Phramongkut Hospital insist that the black-hooded snipers active that evening were well trained army officers. They were probably former members of Marine SEAL units, the Army’s special warfare unit in Lopburi, and another specially trained secret unit in the Air Force. “They rab job (were paid for a task) to kill us. They did not come to chase us away or to lend the Red Shirts moral support, but to undertake that single mission,” officers wounded on 10 April told this writer. These officers believe that what happened was not the work of a disbanded group of specialist military rangers or tahan pran but rather of more skilled mercenaries.
These gunmen succeeded in causing a serious loss to the Prem-Queen alliance. For they killed a rising star in Queen’s Guard from Prachinburi, Col Romklao Thuwatham, and seriously injured a number of senior officers, including Burapha task force head Maj Gen Walit Rojanapakdi and his colonels. Among the seriously injured soldiers was Lt Col Kriengsak Nanthapotidet, half-brother of the late Lt Col Narongsak, a member of Class 8 and Her Majesty’s favourite aide. Narongsak created and gave fame to the Queen’s Guard unit.
While the knock-on effects of the 10 April evening operations had yet to subside, the 22 April grenade attacks against the anti-Red-Shirt protestors who gathered near Sala Daeng under the banner of Silom Club or Multi-Colored Group aggravated bitterness, fear, hatred, and desire for revenge on all sides.
The Abhisit government has blockaded the UDD’s People’s Channel television and some 30 other critical websites and Web boards. It has repeatedly aired one-sided reports with footage to undermine any idea troops fired on the demonstrators. It has succeeded in arousing sentiments to counter the so-called lom jao (or “overthrow the monarchy”) movement. Rightists have viewed the petition of former prime ministers Somchai Wongsawat and Gen Chavalit Yongchaiyudh petition for the King’s advice to help resolve the current political deadlock as an attempt to embarrass His Majesty. They see it as an attempt to reveal his alleged loss of sacred power and practical clout.
The Ratchaprasong encampment represents the last bet by UDD core leaders to test whether the government dares to gun down the demonstrators before the eyes of the embassies and multinational corporations in the area.
Abhisit’s strong will (which some see as stubbornness) has left him determined to wipe the Red-Shirts away from Ratchaprasong in the next 24 hours or so. He is expected to be successful. But he will still have to cope with deep rift within the Army during his remaining months in office, if he is to avoid having Red fighters transformed into urban terrorists.
The Thai Police have clearly remained in neutral gear for the past year, since their former boss Pol Gen Patcharawat Wongsuwan was kicked out in disgrace just months before his retirement over the issues of Police over-reaction and indiscipline in handling the PAD-led siege of Parliament during the Samak administration.
Abhisit’s, and Thailand’s, real problem lies in the Army. “Entrenched military involvement in politics and political involvement in the military have demoralized career soldiers. There is no sincere respect for the current and future leaders who have climbed to the top without direct experience in real combat, but only through honorary decorations,” said a general who asked not to be named.
Recent events have shown the nasty response by disappointed military factions to the planned passing of the torch from Anupong to Prayuth. The former has served for three years as Army commander; the latter would have a full four years before retirement. In these seven years, other military factions and Pre-Cadet classes will have been effectively excluded from power and influence in the Army. Members of Prayuth’s Class 12 have already been put into key positions.
These officers include Lt Gen Dapong Ratanasuwan, who is now deputy chief-of-staff and is slotted to become chief-of-staff for Gen Prayuth when the latter succeeds Gen Anupong, and Lt Gen Thawatchai Samutsakhon, who is currently commanding general of the 2nd Army Corps and looks set to become overall chief of the 2nd Army Area Command during this year’s reshuffle.
Also important to mention are 3rd Army Corps commander, Lt Gen Wannathip Wongwai, in line to be promoted to the 3rd Army Area Command, and Queen’s Guard Gen Thanasak Patimapakorn, also a member of Class 12. Now the chairman of the advisory board of the Royal Thai Armed Forces Command, he is a candidate to be Gen Songkitti’s replacement as supreme commander next year. Gen Thanasak commanded the formidable Task Force 90 of the Special Warfare Unit and was also director of the anti-international terrorism centre.
The Prachinburi-based Burapha Tiger Force, led by Class 15’s Maj Gen Walit Rojanapkadi—also a member of the Queen’s Guard—has been entrusted with the unenviable responsibility of guarding the government since the failed Pattaya summit, the ensuing Din Daeng sweep against the Reds, and the recent Phan Fa “retrieving operation.” With most of Anupong’s men and the Queen’s protégés brought in for the 10 April crackdown, including the slain Colonel Romklao Thuwatham (a shining star of the Din Daeng operation in April 2009), it can be assumed that the men-in-black wanted to assassinate the whole team.
Can it now be assume that brutal, high-stakes factional competition within the RTA’s officer corps is now over? That it will now cease to be a serious complicating factor in Thailand’s political crisis? That it deserves at least as much attention as the prime minister’s newly decisive attitude toward that crisis?
Update: Government sources have tried to implicate Lt Gen Manas Paolik, former deputy 3rd Army Commander and Thaksin’s classmate at the Army Pre-Cadet School, as the man responsible for the mayhem of 10 April. Manas, now a member of Puea Thai party, was poised to be the northern commander as replacement for the outspoken Gen Saprang Kalayanamit. He was, however, dumped after the 2006 coup. Last year he made ambiguous comments about the bad health of a ”charismatic person outside the constitution” when the King was hospitalised. Implicating Manas will allow the government to allege that evidence links Thaksin directly to 10 April and to nail Thaksin as a “terrorist”. Methi Amonrwutthikul, the movie star who was arrested some days ago, will become an important government witness in this case.
Awesome. Incisive reporting with incitive conclusions. Surely another important story about to be lost in the mainstream king-saving hysteria. I plan to pass this information onto any Thai who will listen. (Unfortunately a minority these days). Thanks to the author.
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A big thank you to the author for breaking this down. It’s long been at the heart of this current crisis. And intra-military tension has resulted many times in civilian bloodshed in Thailand.
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Excellent article. Wassana Nanuam, lady columnist of The Bangkok Post, now has a “rival” in military affairs reporting.
Btw, she has been silenced and told to quit her radio program. See this link: http://www.tumblerblog.com/
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The usual wild speculation, one can only wonder how so many blogs can get away with so much non-sense. I guess ignorance is a great source of income.
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An atomic bomb waiting to be exploded. A revolution that can be avoided but being ignored from the top. This turns a smiling country into a war zone. What a pity! A dictator turns into a tyrant. What a country, one person has the right to order the army to shoot and kill civilians and its people who see things differently and not having to take any responsibility.
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One thing that has bothered me for quite sometime is HM the King’s extended stay in hospital. From September until now, and for the foreseeable future. The person who writes at Thailand Crisis asked Why the King is kept in hospital ? in December of last year. It had been 3 long months then since HM disappeared into the hospital. It’s been 8 now.
As the Thai Crisis witer pointed out then:
And now this writer asserts:
Is HM the King being kept, drugged perhaps, a prisoner in hospital in Bangkok? Is ‘Plot targets monarchy’ merely a description of a fait accompli, not by the UDD but by the so-called “royalists” themselves?
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Three quick questions for the author:
>>The career concerns of these two officers ladder of these two generals remain crucial to the evolving political situation. They help explain why the mass rallies of the “Prai” are so fierce in their retaliation against the forces of the “Ammat”.
In this paragraph, what exactly does the first sentence mean? (I think I can guess, but I’d like to be sure.)
How do the career concerns of these two officers explain why the rallies of the red shirts “are so fierce in their retaliation against the forces” of the elite?
And if your contacts in the RTA say that the violence on 10 April was due to mercenaries trying to assassinate them, how do they explain why so many more civilians were killed the same night, apparently in the same way?
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The way the situation in Bangkok is handled over the next week or so will impact on the quality of life for all those who life in Thailand for the next 5 years. So let’s hope that those responsible for security bring mature and sensitive minds to the task in hand. The poor deserve a dignified response to their demands for democracy.
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Butterfly @8, “ignorance is a great source of income.”
Isn’t that the motto of the Nation?
Er, except that they’re bankrupt.
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If the above analysis is correct, then deliberately targeting the Toy Boy Colonels on April 10 will have given the Royals’ enforcers much to think about.
Not many of them will be such fanatical believers in Chakri sanctity that they will be happy to die just for a royal bathing rite and posthumous promotion.
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How is the queen effecting patronage over her alleged clients such as Anupong and Prayuth?
What do her clients stand to gain from association with someone whose popularity is somewhat less than the old man himself?
If they have or are each cultivating clients what does that say, if anything, about the state of their relationships and interests?
Is it necessarily the case that mid-ranking officers and rank-and-file uniforms will continue to play this game amid the increasing transparency brought to society by mobile phones and the internet, which are a factor it seems in the rise of the Red movement and what may be the emerging prai consciousness?
Why were the commanders and their staff clustered together in the vulnerable vanguard of the operation on the evening of the 10th April?
Commanders are usually to the rear where they can take a broader view of an operation and all its elements rather up at the front where the view is usually rather more narrow.
Was it because they did not trust the platoon commanders and non-commissioned officers to remain calm and keep troops armed with live rounds under control in a tense situation?
Was it simply bad fieldcraft, poor tactics and arrogance?
Blaming their deaths and injuries on peeved rivals in the army may be more convenient than the luck of a random grenade which just happened to fall on people who probably should not all have been together in the vanguard?
Video shot behind the army lines that night suggests the operation fell apart after senior commanders were hit. In at least two videos there appear to be few medics, no stretcher bearers and no ambulances. Quite the opposite of what is seen in videos shot behind Red lines. Perhaps further cause to doubt the capabilities of those involved in authorizing, planning and leading that operation?
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In addition to the very pertinent questions posted by Scott@#7,
I’d also like to ask :
1) Where is Class 13 in all this ?
The writer does n’t mention them once.
Could they be a “tipping force” ?
2)’Abhisit’s, and Thailand’s, real problem lies in the Army. “Entrenched military involvement in politics and political involvement in the military have demoralized career soldiers. There is no sincere respect for the current and future leaders who have climbed to the top without direct experience in real combat, but only through honorary decorations,” said a general who asked not to be named. ‘
How much is this connected to the stale-mate / near-defeat the RTA is facing in Pattani ?
Is Pattani, in any sense, becoming Thailand’s approximate equivalent of the US Vietnam experience? (Eg. military demoralisation).
3) And how does the writer’s paragraph here above relate to any possible de-facto federalism ?
When I suggested more federalism to Marc Askew, months ago now, he replied that “the Thai military would never accept it”.
To which I replied that Suharto’s Indonesian military voiced similar refusal, but have now accepted de-facto federalism (much of it run through rival military factions !!).
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This is a real bit of news, a coup for New Mandala! It provides details for what we would come to expect: that political tensions within the armed forces come to reflect those in Thai society generally. Officers whose careers languish because promotions are reserved for those with politically correct, strong yellow views, begin to identify with socially disadvantaged civilian Thais, and drift towards the Red cause. They gamble their last hope of promotion on a change of government. The breath-taking attack on the commanders of the April 10 military operation shows that the malcontents are not only prepared to wage guerrilla warfare against the yellow faction, but are capable of devastating success.
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What is not explained is why the red shirts are demonstrating. There is definitely a worrying state of affairs in Bangkok and in Thailand as to who is in control and why the red shirts continue unabated and seem to have free will. Last night I saw on TV the red shirts stopped a police van in Ladprao and searched it. It should have been the other way around. The police should have stopped the red shirts van and searched it and so it leads to serious questions as to who is running the country and the armed forces – in particular the police and army.
Also the fact that the Monarchy is above criticism and discussion cannot be good for the country as a whole and most countries have ditched this approach. Ferance removed the head of its King and Royal family. In England, there has been a more measured approach and they have lost favour over the years. We Brits consider this to be part of normal and healthy democracy – notably after the USA became a republic and could criticise their leaders – to be able to criticise the monarchy without fear of reprisal.
But one thing still worries me. And that is the little that Taksin is featured in all of this. It is after his Billions were confiscated that all of this has kicked off. So the question is what are the reds fighting for? I would love to see a list of demands and statement of belief other than dissolving parliament. Are they fighting for Taskin’s Billions or are they fighting against perceived discrimination? We all know that dark skinned fermers are discriminated against on many levels. On their skin colour and where they come from. But is Taksin the man to lead the movement, and if so why are they campaigning for his Billions? And so it is is all confused with so many power brokers. Who knows who is who and if correct. But Taksin can’t be the man to champion the rights of the poor. And that is why there is such opposisition to the man.
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A big thank you to the author for this very comprehensive article on the situation. In Thailand news are scrutnized, distorted when not banished and censored and the article reveals what in fact people talk about and cannot publish. Wish all Thai and foreign people could read this article, this would open the eyes of many…
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Disgruntled, over-looked and deeply disaffected factions of the military exact revenge on 10 April.
Aren’t these the exact same characteristics and qualities demonstrated by the Red-Shirt movement in general?
Brothers in Arms.
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“This writer’s access to a number of RTA officers leads him to offer the following thoughts on the matter.”
Rumours reported by an anonymous writer are worthless.
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Call me picky, but….
“As the soul of the nation, he should warn his wife not to meddle in the national security operations or control her behaviour,”
This quote is attributed to two sources? Presume it’s a generalisation?
“Entrenched military involvement in politics and political involvement in the military have demoralized career soldiers. There is no sincere respect for the current and future leaders who have climbed to the top without direct experience in real combat, but only through honorary decorations,”
In a country full of corruption (with the fingers pointed at both police and army for being role models), surely this hardly a deviation from the norm over the past 20 years?
Looking at the footage available it’s blatantly obvious the late Colonel Romklao was taken out by a highly trained force with a dedicated mission.
Given Arisman’s attitude prior to the April 22nd and actions of the red shirt protesters that night compared to previous nights I personally have no doubt whoever fired the M79′s into the Silom crowd was coordinating directly with them.
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The description of divisions in the RTA are compelling and the author is to be thanked for explaining this dimension of the crisis. We always know there’s something there, but not exactly what.
But I would like to raise some issues of how these factions are described, or interpreted. The differences between the competing groups and individuals are described as over advancement in the officers corps. There are references to the rival classes, to officers who play politics for advancement, to the clique of the Queen’s guard, to the queen meddling, to the role of graft in the promotions business (the GT200 and airship cases), to “demoralised” “career soldiers”; to officers experienced in combat, etc.
Read quickly, one would conclude there are a bunch of corrupt guys who played to the palace for their promotions and, on the other side, a lot of bitter “professionals” who kept their heads down and stayed away from the games. Some of the commenters seem to have read it that way.
But for the details: the writer describes officers in the promotion line –like Gen Thanasak and Gen Wannathip — who are professionals, apparently have good field experience, and are Queen’s guards. He described the two current bosses, one who is reluctant to crack down on the protestors, another who wants a coup, and he binds them together by corrupt deals. Also Queen’s guards.
The unnamed general’s quote is the bull’s eye of the article: it creates a division between “career soldiers” and those “leaders who have climbed to the top without direct experience in real combat, but only through honorary decorations.”
Then the author describes the Men in Black hit squad as possibly aiming to assassinate more leading and promotion-bound officers, and on behalf of whom? — The jealous “career soldiers” left behind? Other political soldiers left behind? Soldiers who tied their future to Thaksin (meaning formerly political, now not)?
So I would like to, with greatest respect for his contribution, ask the author, does it not really boil down to rival cliques, mostly on CMA class bases, competing for promotions and other spoils? That they are all necessarily political, winners and losers? And that it is the same old refrain, not unlike the Manoon-Chamlong Young Turks of Class 7 who played the professional/purity angle when they were losers?
And then I would like to suggest another paradigm: that beyond the competition for spoils, the issues are loyalty and obedience, and there is not a clear definition of how this should work. A military needs to be loyal and obedient to the civilian political commanders. In Thailand you have the throne — and its representatives, in this case Prem and the queen — and then you have the prime minister.
The tradition has been loyalty to the throne, made easier when Prem was PM, because he commanded and channeled the loyalty. But ever since Prem moved upward and Chatichai came in as PM, there has been tension over this, and, probably, real confusion in the ranks. (Just how is loyalty to the civilian command taught at CMA?)
In the past this tension did not normally matter much, because the only things to gain were spoils of office, and perhaps the ability to reinforce the ideology of the military-palace management of politics.
But now, since Thaksin came up, the palace has been in survival mode, and fighting to maintain and reward allegiance. And those officers who chose to be close to Thaksin rather than
Prem — or didn’t straddle that split well — lost out.
That’s politics, but it is also understanding who is the ultimate commander, who and what you are loyal to. Abhisit is seen by some as attached to the alleged “political” generals in power or on the rise, but what he has done has realigned government house as one node of civilian command with the palace — understandable since both share the view of Thaksin as a systemic threat.
The problem then is if there is a divide in the civilian command over reaction — some asking the generals for a fast but brutal crackdown, others like Abhisit willing to take a more measured or calm approach.
Military leadership always has to be politically conscious and politically wily. But it must be confusing now — if you are a senior RTA officer, who is your ultimate commander, and what institutions are you to defend?
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I think this is a dangerous game of control for the army (as neither the currently controlling Amartya, nor the govt the Reds wish to propel to power will give up wrestling over the men with the guns). The next govt need to manipulate them just as much and will, and part of the problem of disloyalty is that officers favoured by both have been unfairly promoted causing resentment in the ranks, Thaksin was especially good at this.
In fact, if you read Phongpaichit/Baker’s insightful biography of Thaksin you’ll note that he specifically brought the generals back into politics, after decade of them taking a backseat, he strengthened their role, and placed his men in top govt positions, unfortunately for him some of them ‘betrayed’ him.
So, there are your roots in this crisis perhaps, then the coup, then a higher power apparently using them to steal power in Jan 2009, and they are getting fed up with it.
In my opinion the army aren’t terribly good at actually being an army, their strategies in the South have failed miserably, they are proving to be in two minds here too.
Despite all Reds painting them as the enemy I think they’ve been correct in so far refusing to clear out the people and shooting Thais, in other countries it would be expected of them to flatten Rajaprasong, but this is the second time they have been unco-operative with a govt ordering them on the people – once each for the two different govts, and they deserve some credit for that. They are stuck between a rock and hard place, but it’s their own making – they were incompetent enough to let these Black Shirts get out of hand, steal their weapons (and some of their men) and it seems apparent their intelligence is hopeless.
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General Robert E. Lee who taught at the VMA always referred to his civil war opponents as “those people” to emotionally distance himself from his former comrades and classmates. I would expect graduates of the CMA to do no less – and even more so in the case of politicians.
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The crack down will come, I’m sure of that, they are just waiting for the the moment when the protester got exhausted.
Btw, I saw this interview video in facebook about the mother who happened to join the red and her son who happen to be on the 2nd division during to crack down on the 10th. I dont know whether to call this fate or coincident, the son was shooting at the protester (Didn’t say whether its a rubber or live round) for a while until he saw a pair of eyes on the other side of his line. It was his mother standing right in front of the soldier line trying to push the front line soldiers back. The son burst into tear and run to his mother, about half way before he could get to her, he got shot in the leg.
Watching the interview made me realize that many of the low ranking private are no one but son of those poor farmers, just think of that I’m pretty sure that even among the private the moral isnt too high either.
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I just love gossip but. There may even be something to it. You never know.
I do hope those praising this article though arent the same people who criticse the Nation for printing unsubstaniated rumours;)
Didnt the unit insignia in one of the photos suggest a certain unit was operating behind red lines? I thought that had led to certain other theories on who was behind the shooting. Still maybe I digress
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@23 Nobody:
Sure, gossip is gossip, but some gossip are more consistent with facts observed.
The more striking fact at the moment is that armed forces, starting from the commander-in-chief Gen. Anupong show a clear reluctance to heed the governmental authority’s instructions to break the Rajprasong protest.
Anupong did recommend Abhisit to dissolve parliament and continues to push publicly for a political solution instead of relying on the use of force.
Anupong is no red-shirt apologist, so there must be a huge reason behind his stance and this piece provides a very plausible theory on what that reason is.
Notwithstanding the point that the author might have done some speculation and/or might have been given distorted information by some people whom he talked with, overall the article sits very well with what is actually happening (or not happening for that matter).
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Very interesting piece and I think it gives us all a lot of food for thought, even taking into account that not everything can be substantiated.
I actually feel that Polo’s response probably gets even closer to the truth of the situation, with regard to rival cliques and paths upwards to ultimate command and loyalty. A longer opinion piece from you would be most welcome…
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Great to see an independent unbiased article on the Thai situation where Thaksin is not mentioned and being blamed for everything that is wrong with Thailand.
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Thailand is ruled by retired and serving military with 700 generals heavily involved in legal and illegal business. Their power is secured by the fiction of protection of the monarchy and massive wealth and influence links with all the important economic structures in Thailand.
For examples, the Thai military own Banks, TV, radio and are represented and control the airlines, construction, manufacturing, agriculture.
The military are active in managing the politics of Thailand and work in many capacities in all regions of Thailand. The military controls legal and illegal labour flows across the borders and the insurgency in the south and are immune from legal and government oversight. The government exists only to provide stories and excuses for their actions.
Full franchise democratic elections are a direct threat to the military because they take the power of choice of MPs from them and worse, elected governments can claim the authority of the people and introduce controls on the military.
After he was elected Thaksin was foolish and brave enough to introduce some controls, there were calls that he was “interfering with the military promotions and reshuffle” (which a democratic government has a duty to do) and “threatening the monarchy” which he wasnt, but the military always falls back on this to secure their power.
It is the challenge for every government to try to bring the military under control. Abhisit cannnot because he cannot claim the mandate of the people.
The redshirts want free and fair elections so their government can claim the authority to rule Thailand and at least try to control the military.
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Well said, Mister Brown. All correct.
I also think that as long as the monarchy is the H-Bomb of Thai politics, it’s impossible to ever have any real debate or change. This whole monarchy business really does have the Tito effect – getting rid of it will doubtless cause much human suffering, but the longer it it drags on, the more blood will be spilled in the end.
Also, in addition to providing convenient cover / aegis for corrupt generals to do their things, ‘love of the king’ provides a kind of moral blanket for *all* dodgy Thais. A corrupt traffic policeman stands at the roadside saluting a royal motorcade and doubtless quietly absolves himself of any bad joss for what he’s been getting up to as a uniformed street criminal.
Since the king is the be-all and end-all of all Thai virtues, one can do just about anything and then square the karma ledger by ‘loving the king’.
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Thailand 1935-2010
When the absolute monarchy was overthrown it was replaced with a constitutional one under a military constitution. History shows what happens if anyone interferes with that.
You got it all in a few paragraphs David and the real reason for the existence of LM.
Why is this obscenity not further exposed outside Thailand?
Why is Thailand a paragon of democracy and Burma a pariah?
Foreign national interests?
Would things be any different under Thaksins military faction?
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Show me, don’t tell me. As fascinating and apparently well-researched as the article is, it remains fantasy until the writer establishes his bona fides.
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David Brown,
(I’ve enjoyed reading this comment in the many places I have seen it pasted. I made a minor correction at Absolutely Bangkok, which I repeat here as your comment in both places is identical)
I don’t think the military owns any banks anymore. They seem to only have 1.44% of Thai Military Bank (although I have heard that is because they looted it so badly that there was no way to recapitalize it).
http://www.set.or.th/set/companyholder.do?symbol=TMB&language=en&country=US
However, they and their allies should be at least as great a focus as the one individual, Thaksin, who has gotten 99% of the attention. They have had a much bigger and more sustained role bringing Thailand to where it is today.
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Stuart (30). So any research into the operations of the Mafia is a fantasy until the researcher releases the information that will get him and his informants bumped off? It’s not peer-reviewed science, but it’s all we can expect, and it makes enough sense to have brought out couple of top-notch responses (19 and 20).
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And?
Do any of you think that the good people of Thailand are not already aware of the power and influence the military has here, past and present?
The military, through both their legal and illegal business activites, employs numerous civilians as well as there own; indeed, I would also argue that these activites also account for a sizeable chunk of the economy, both white and black.
Aside from the fear of dying should you speak out about this, people need to be pragmatic.
Afterall, working for such organisations does put food on the table.
We shouldn’t get into too much of a lather over this, especially as we are not in any positon to do anything about it.
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I agree with R.N. England and others – there’s simply too much which fits with events, for whoever wrote this not to have pretty good insider knowledge.
One thing which did get me wondering however, was that part where the writer talks about interviewing hospitalised soldiers.
It would n’t be so difficult for Thai authorities to identify, to some extent, who was doing this. So it looks like this has come from some one, or some persons very high up, and very well-protected.
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David Brown #27
Regarding your comment on Thaksin’s bravery in introducing some controls on the military, would you care to let me know what was exactly was brave in his fast-tracking of his cousin Chaisit Shinawatra up the military chain of command, despite the presence of much more qualified officers? Just one example (amongst many) of his own meddling and interference to suit his own interests (he did the same police reshuffles, appointments to the various ‘independent’ agencies, etc etc).
I would kindly suggest that Mr Thaksin wasn’t at the forefront of any push to democratise state institutions or shake up the bureaucractic elite, more like just another strategem to build up and protect his own powerbase, cleverly played using the long tried and tested rules of the Thai political game…
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It is not just a clash between the current government and the Red shirts, but it is also a clash among military personnels; retired, and groups which do not have a strong connection to get promoted to higher ranks.
The army always has a strong influential role in this country for many decades, the winning side will be hero anyway. But clearly, Red masterminds encourage innocent people to come out and protest to be their useless shield. The more death, the more benefits for them. and I agree with Richard P Thaksin’s bravery in introducing some controls on the military, would you care to let me know what was exactly was brave in his fast-tracking of his cousin Chaisit Shinawatra up the military chain of command, despite the presence of much more qualified officers” The nation is not a family business after all.
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R.N. England (32)
Correct. Many hundreds of journalists, including myself and a number of colleagues, have been jailed, suffered harm and other forms of proscription so that words would not be sold cheaply. That is the standard that has been met by many; unfortunately not by most.
Not that unsubstantiated speculation isn’t useful, or has no validity, or is not worthy of applause. It often plays a critical role in inviting further investigation, perhaps even leading to something credible. Many thousands, if not millions, of brave people have provided insightful accounts, such as this one. This one appears to be particularly well briefed, and well worth investigation. But the robustness of the reporting cannot be tested. Until it can, it must remain – unsubstantiated.
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I’ve selected some comments from this BP article:
http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/local/176433/prawit-lashes-out-at-inaction-claims
Defence Minister Prawit Wongsuwon lashed out during a Defence Council meeting after being criticised for his failure to deal with anti-government protesters, a source says.
The outburst occurred during Thursday’s meeting when one of the generals vented his frustration about the rally and the army’s inaction, a source close to the meeting said.
“What can we do in a situation like this?” the source quoted Gen Prawit as saying.
“We do what the government orders, but it is not always easy [to follow the orders to the letter] especially when it comes to [dispersing] the Ratchaprasong [red shirt rally].”…
Senior military officers are uneasy about Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva passing operational responsibility to them, said the source.
Mr Abhisit has pushed for the military to deal with the red shirt protesters while dragging his feet in finding a political solution to the crisis, said the source.
“There is no dialogue. There is no sacrifice [on Mr Abhisit's part]. They [the senior officers] are all fed up,” said the source.
The source also criticised the prime minister for his lack of respect for senior military officers.
Simple words cannot describe my utter contempt for this kind of pathetic, face-saving claptrap.
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Traditionally, the Thai military has been the road to opportunity for poorer Thais, including rural Thais. The former aristocracy (titles of nobility are extinct because they were never hereditary) and lesser royals once dominated the civil service, along with the Chinese Thais. The Chinese Thais long have had a firm hold on the economy. Thus the military was the only path open for the rest. It is not at all unusual for serving officers also to be businessmen.
p.s. When did HM become 83?
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KimD C26. I have no problem with gossipy pieces although I think they should be labelled as an opinion piece and generally have a named author if possible although of course that is not always possible.
Im sure the anonymous author or authors has his/her/their opinion and great.
The piece also does not really explain also the Taharn Prahn involvement which assuming the pictures on the Khmer website of Insignia are correct would seem to be the most likely explanation of the black shirts on April 10. That would as many others have concluded strongly hint at not necessaril a split in the armed forces being the reason for the black shirts on April 10 but would hint at the involvement of a particular retired general using a semi-autonomous unit that answers more to him than the mainstream army in a way that has happened in the past if we are to believe a certain book. Now I am not going to say htis is the real answer but when consdiering what is happening surely it needs to be addresed especailly when international media and even Jane’s have commented on it. Which just brings me back to my point of a nice piece of gossip and interesting but one that does not even cover all of the ground needed to be even considered as news or analysis in the firts place. So opinion piecde by anonymous author using unsubstantiated material is where we are
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We do not know how accurately the writer is reporting, or the extent to which his informants were telling the truth, or whether indeed the writer is actually one of the hospitalized officers pursuing his own agenda. But in any case, the article gives credence—and detail—to the suspicion that part of what is happening involves factional disputes within the military. We may suppose that, in addition to retirement and promotion issues, the crisis also involves behind-the-scenes disputes over larger issues such as control of the drug, prostitution, gambling etc. industries, involving multiple branches of the military, the police and other traditional power brokers. All this is interleaved with conflicts among the military, the bureaucracy, which runs the country day-to-day and the government trying to be more than the window-dressing of modern democracy for a mafiaesque state.
Another layer of power relations that I am more familiar with, and which gets scant mention in either the Thai or English press has to do with the non-bank money lenders and large landholders. In Isan where I spend a great deal of time, the farmers are deeply in debt to non-bank lenders who hold title deeds to their land for security. I’ve been in my village when the mayor announced over the village PA system that a lender was available to make loans with which to make payments on Thaksin’s “micro-credit” loans—and as long as you’re borrowing you might as well borrow a bit more (and put a bit more land in hock). That, of course, is related to the large landholders who gobble up the foreclosed farmland when payments finally cannot be made. All that, in turn, is deeply involved with the local patronage hierarchies and, in turn, local government and bureaucracy. The current government is moving to clamp down on loan sharking—delaying payment deadlines on Thaksin-era government loans and moving “non-system loans” to legitimate bank loans with reasonable interest rates. It is also moving to tax excessively large land holdings. It is thus in the interests of the local power brokers to force the government to resign before it can cut into their cash flow. It would thus be in the interest of the farmers to support the current government. But: most of the farmers I know believe, quite seriously and with a kind of animistic faith, that when Thaksin comes back, he will pay off all loans out of his own pocket and bring prosperity to all.
It’s all terribly complex and because there has never been public discourse on and among the power blocks and factions there is no overall picture and no arena for negotiation. No tradition of accommodation and compromise—thus a military coup every ten or so years. What is different now, is that the population at large has gotten involved in the conflicts—yellow shirts, red shirts, multi-colored shirts—and even if they are being used as pawns in struggles among the power-elites, they are bringing their own needs, however poorly articulated, to the battle. I suspect they will not for long defer to whatever resolution the old power blocks make among themselves, but will continue to assert themselves. In short, the crisis is long term. My hope is that arenas will emerge for discourse, deliberation. For verbal combat. For the emergence of a democratic society.
Stephen A. Evans; Note: I speak and read Thai fluently and have some facility in the Isan-Lao language.
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Thank you for so much background and analysis, yet…Abhisit’s “strong will” is based on following orders, nothing more, nothing less. Decision making flows thusly: Privy councilor to Gen Anupong to Abhisit. The next Commander-in-Chief will be: Gen Prayuth Chan-ocha as the Reds have acquiesced, so no need “to wipe the Red-Shirts”. The case against Lt Gen Manas Paolik/Thaksin will amount to nothing as to the former point: Khattiya Sawasdipol then becomes the fall guy. The ball is now in the ‘black hooded’ court, what are they going to do?
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An excellent update on the complexities of Thai civilian and military conflicts….
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