As the bombings in central Bangkok continue, and unelected Deputy Prime Minister Suthep Thaugsuban warns of more to come, rumours are swirling in the Thai capital as to whose interests are best served by these acts of terror.
After Sunday 25th July’s fatal bombing in central Bangkok, which killed one man, rumours turned into outright allegations by Thailand’s opposition Peua Thai Party (PTP) that the bombing was contrived so that the State of Emergency could be extended. The Bangkok Post reported that PTP believed the blast “was the work of professionals with expertise in explosives who may be linked to men in uniform close to the government.” More recently, Peua Thai MP and Red Shirt leader, Jatuporn Prompan, accused the government of “creating a situation in order to keep the emergency decree in place in the capital and other provinces.”
For an official opposition party (actually the biggest single party in the Thai parliament), never mind one of the leaders of the Red Shirt movement, to be making such utterances is truly shocking. It reveals much about the deep divisions in Thai society. Yet, if we take Peua Thai’s allegations as having substance, the Thai establishment wouldn’t be the first to adopt such violent, nefarious tactics in order to cling onto power.
Back in the late 1960s and early 1970s, when parts of Europe were still controlled by extremist right wing elements entirely opposed to any sort of progressive politics or notions of social justice, a plan emerged which was later called the “Strategy of Tension.”
The basics of the Strategy of Tension were this:
“To manipulate popular feeling … by creating such social disruption and uncertainty that the populace would favour the installation of a strong-arm government pledged to restore order.” (From Stuart Christie’s Portrait of a Black Terrorist, 1984).
In the time period in question, the right wing elements involved in creating this Strategy of Tension were an amalgamation of disparate anti-communists which included, among others, European fascists, such as the then leader of Spain, General Franco, and, according to a report released in 2000 by an Italian political party, the CIA and elements in the Italian intelligence services.
But how did this coterie of fascists and other anti-democrat forces stir up and “manipulate popular feeling”? Quite simply they bombed, assassinated and kidnapped. And, this was key to their entire “strategy”, they wanted to blame such attacks on the very left wing progressives they opposed. In effect, they wanted the general population to be so outraged by the perceived terrorist actions of the progressive left that the Italian people would then accept the state abandoning democracy and creating a dictatorship.
The Strategy of Tension’s first big action was the Piazza Fontana bombing in Milan in 1969 which killed 16. One Italian fascist member, Vincenzo Vinciguerra, would later admit in a 1998 interview with Italian press that this “explosion was supposed to be the detonator which would have convinced the political and military authorities to declare a state of emergency.”
Other bombings occurred aboard a train (12 dead), in the Italian town of Brescia (8 dead) and a horrific attack in Bologna in 1980 when 85 Italian citizens were murdered in one of Europe’s biggest post-war terrorist attacks.
Thais can easily draw comparisons to the events that rocked Italy in the 1960s, 70s and 80s. While we’ve certainly never suggested that the Red Shirts and their supporters are completely non-violent, shadowy forces, agent provocateurs and other elements linked to the establishment have long been rumoured to be operating behind the scenes on the streets of Bangkok. What is clear is that with each bombing the Abhisit government finds more cause to entrench its open-ended State of Emergency, the military gains more power and CRES cracks down harder on normal democratic activity.
In Italy, the murderous Strategy of Tension pursued by right wing extremists ultimately failed because the forces of democratic accountability held sway. Despite the horrific bombings, attacks which far surpassed anything Thailand has yet experienced, the Italian state never declared a State of Emergency, nor moved towards the kind of extreme right wing dictatorships that were then in power in Greece, Spain and Portugal. Important factors contributed to the failure of the Strategy of Tension in Italy, not least that there was a free press that was able to look critically at the evidence and raise questions about who committed the bombings. Key parts of the Italian establishment, including powerful elements within the then ruling centre-right Christian Democrat Party, were also far more committed to democracy than they were to the imposition of extreme right wing rule. But, in the final analysis, the most significant factor in the Strategy of Tension’s failure was that the Italian population failed to be “manipulated.” Quite simply, they preferred democracy.
Compared to the reaction of the Italian state to the atrocities perpetrated in Milan, Brescia and Bologna, PM Abhisit and the Thai establishment have been extraordinarily impatient in imposing their draconian and highly oppressive State of Emergency. Some might argue that this is a deliberate ratcheting up of “tension” that seems designed only to provoke fear and create division. In addition, the Thai establishment certainly has form on creating “tension” via the employment of extra-legal forces, the use of which during the 1992 Black May massacre is discussed in Professor Yoshifumi Tamada’s book Myths and Realities: The Democratization of Thai Politics.
With the endless, open-ended nature of Abhisit’s repression, observers are now furnished with a direct insight into the Thai establishment’s vanishing commitment to democracy. We can only hope that Thailand doesn’t have to endure a similarly vicious Strategy of Tension, designed only to protect the interests of extremist elements in the establishment, before democracy can fully flourish again.
Robert Amsterdam is an international lawyer retained by former Thai Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra, and acts as legal advisor to the United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD).
Just like Somtow described it – heaping up emotive power words and then affording himself deniability with a phrase “appears to be”.
In this case the key phrase is “if we take Peua Thai’s allegations as having substance”.
If we don’t, there’s nothing to worry about, but he’d scare us anyway.
Jatuporn, whose allegations we are asked to consider seriously, not long ago denied that BJT bombers were not red shirts. His credibility outside of red circle is zero.
In a way this kind of writing qualifies for Strategy of Tension itself, except its directed at the government, not the opposition – it’s meant to manipulate public opinion, supports social disruption and uncertainty, it’s divisive, it incites hatred, and it’s supported by the bombing campaign, too.
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Hey
Will you guys be allowing the mighty Somtow to respond to this?
Mr Yoon.
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In this case the key phrase is “if we take Peua Thai’s allegations as having substance”.
If we don’t, there’s nothing to worry about, but he’d scare us anyway.
The reason why he mention that is because he wanted to compare it with what happened in Italy in during the 60s till 80s. Furthermore, the husband and wife who got arrested for BJT used to work for a foundation set up by Newin, so that raise a big question about their connection with Newin.
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The great thing about StanG is that the ferocity of his postings are exactly equal to the cogency and validity of the arguments he’s attempting to dismiss.
In my view we should now adopt something I’ve very wittily entitled the StanG Scale – much like Beaufort’s it measures a form of wind, yet more cleverly than a mere weather measurement it also offers a direct insight into the corresponding value of what StanG is actually commenting on.
So, on the StanG scale we can say that this Robert Amsterdam piece scores about 8, or gale.
Do you think StanG could take this up to 12, hurricane force?
Here’s hoping.
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“emotive power words”? Please see the appeals of the Thailand Patriot Network (aka PAD) re Preah Vihear. From the stage, and endlessly repeated in Thai mass media. C’mon, Sondhi Limthongkul and his ASTV/Manager empire wrote the book on manipulating public opinion (you really think Amsterdam has access to Thai public opinion?) and inciting divisiveness and hatred. Amsterdam is an amateur compared to that crew.
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The government has been playing this game since the middle of february. Without the strategy of tension, they couldn’t have called for the ISA and the state of emergency, or justified the bloodbath they committed. Had they not played this card they would not be in power now. Expect more of this as people get tired of the SOE and Abhisit’s crew needs to ratchet up the fear.
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certain Thais keep claiming that Thailand is unique and cannot be (fully) understood by farangs
we thought Thailand was unique, smiling happy Buddhist people, and fortunately there are such treasures in the country and even in the cities
but, unfortunately, the elites, royals, military, big business seem to be very similar to greedy, ruthless people the world over
Thailand seems to be living through struggles like the overthrow of feudal rule in the 17/18th century in the UK and, as the eventual overthrow seems more likely, the right wing attempted resurgences noted in this article
The ordinary people will eventually convince the “born to rule” that living under democratically elected government is better for all Thai people and even they will accept and some will even thrive like their counterparts in other countries.
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Amsterdam has certainly no clue what declaring himself someone’s proxy means in Thailand power play.
Or maybe he does, which means he appeals to really clueless.
Funny how he found receptive audience in the blessed halls of ANU.
I mean, the way Amsterdam argues, you guys must demand checks from Thaksin twice a week, you are certainly doing the better job.
As for PAD employing same manipulation techniques – you don’t give them equal stage, do you? Reserved for Thaksin’s propagandists only.
Otherwise you go “liberal”, meaning with the hand on the trash button.
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Andrew/Nich
Why you letting this guy come and troll on your blog endlessly? To give you an idea what he says about you just picked this up from StanG’s blog –
“I’m not aware of anyone reading my blog right now, you are the first.
I’m not doing it for vanity reasons, I just need a place to put my thoughts down.
When I don’t have any big ones I get by by posting comments on New Mandala or Bangkok Pandit. They are not intellectually stimulating, though, maybe that’s why I couldn’t get enough inspiration from reading those blogs for, like, two months.
The crap they put out there would make…….
It’s better if I stop right now. ”
Why does he post here so often if thinks it’s so crap?
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Interesting that lawyer Robert Amsterdam should be posting on New Mandala. Then again Robert Amsterdam is one strange type of lawyer.
So could it be the work of agent provocateurs, or could just some of it be their work? Possibly, but those arrested so far have had pretty strong connections with the red shirts. That doesn’t of course prove the case for every incident.
What’s far more interesting is how much Amsterdam bills Thaksin for this post. Robert would you care to enlighten us as most of us post and comment for free? If anybody would like to pay me for posting could they contact me via New Mandala. I’m sure Andrew or Nich will pass it on to me;-)
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Tarrin – 4
Furthermore, the husband and wife who got arrested for BJT used to work for a foundation set up by Newin, so that raise a big question about their connection with Newin.
But then again if they had current connections to Newin surely they wouldn’t have been arrested, at least in any good conspiracy theory Tarrin. I think this one needs more work, maybe Robert can help.
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LesAbbey – 14
Because they are Newin’s people that’s why they get arrest, if they are not Newin’s people they would have been disappear without a trace. Remember the murder of Rambo Issan’s personal body guard and the prominent red leader from Kon Kean?
Btw, its not the Thai side that arrest them, its actually the Cambodian so when you said they wouldn’t have been arrest then you are correct, they didn’t get arrest until they crossed to Cambodia.
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LesAbbey
I don’t think the point of this piece is to offer concrete evidence – after all the government have certainly been putting out endless completely spurious facts (those weren’t our snipers, in our uniforms, with our weapons, allowed to move freely by our troops who shot all those civilians, honest etc etc) so why can’t the opposition put out a theory or two?
After all, pretty much every Thai I’ve spoken to over the last few weeks believes that forces linked to the establishment are having some hand in the bombings, grenade attacks etc.
And the Strategy of Tension reveals that right wing establishments do this kind of stuff when it suits there needs.
On another note – priceless comment from PAD Boy on StanG – isn’t it time you went and trolled somewhere else now Stan?
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Stan G, you have my admiration and respect. You are a voice of reason amongst a cacophony of hysterical fanaticism. I can scarcely bear to read New Mandala these days. The conspiracy theories grow ever more convoluted and disturbing, and giving credence to a ‘human rights’ lawyer in the employ of the proud architect of the war on drugs is beyond the pale.
It’s unsurprising that many are calling for you to be silenced. Heretics like you and I will be first against the wall after the glorious people’s revolution.
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FOUR POINTS need to be made – not mentioned above – about the continuing state of emergency (SOE) in Bangkok, and other provinces :
1) to some extent this hurts the Democrat Party – Thai tourism
has been badly hit by the political turbulence since 2006, and is now facing permanent, terminal decline, according to some of the industry’s leading organizations.
Tourism is a major basis for Democrat Party support, especially in southern Thailand – but also Bangkok.
So Abhisit’s Democrat Party does NOT have an interest per se in extending the SOE.
2) in contradiction to this, the Democrats are threatened by PAD’s New Politics Party – so DO have an interest in extending the SOE, but as yesterday’s PAD rally at the Japan-Thailand Stadium shows – the Democrats/ Anupong military are willing to accomodate PAD as long as they do not attempt an overthrow/ blockage of Abhisit’s government.
The PAD rally of 2000+ supporters was a clear breach of the SOE.
3) So what happens now the Red Shirts have a clear precedent for demanding to stage their own rally in defiance of the SOE ?
4) And how long can Thailand’s clearly very divided military maintain its’ false facade of unity, in the face of such breaches and defiance ?
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Is New Mandala changing to an ad-based model? When can we expect Thaksin’s companies advertising here?
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No change in the model NongChang. New Mandala has a longstanding open invitation for guest contributions. We would be delighted to run a guest contribution from the PAD, the government or anyone else.
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Chris beale – 18
In my opinion the only reason why Abhisit wants to retain the SOE is because he wants to keep CRES going since any budget issued trough CRES (such as money to spend on security personals) is never been screen or check by anyone, not even MPs, so its very easy for the Dem to use CRES as a channel for corruption.
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Andrew Walker comment #20. Just interested to know about the provenance of this post, did RA ask to contribute this piece to New Mandala or was he invited directly?
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Thanks Mangoboy,
Like almost all of New Mandala‘s “guest contributions” the essay by Robert Amsterdam was unsolicited by us. We are, as Andrew emphasised, always open to new perspectives, responses, critiques, rejoinders, etc.
And, to clarify: we are, and always have been, very open to considering contributions from Thai government officials, politicians, Ambassadors, lower ranking diplomats, military officers, etc, etc. The range of voices we have published over the years (from more than 130 guest contributors) signals the approach that we have taken.
If anyone from the Thai government or PAD, or wherever, reading this would like to make a contribution to New Mandala debates then they can contact me at the usual place. For reference, our guidelines for contributing are available here.
Best wishes to all,
Nich
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Thanks Nich. I look forward to more on this.
BTW New Mandala readers may find the article here http://phuketwan.com/tourism/travel-warnings-thaksins-lawyer-abuses-aussie-alert-12806/ from PhuketWan interesting.
It reports that Robert Amsterdam has cited the Australian government’s travel warning about Thailand as an indication “that the Australian Government has little faith in the Thai regime’s badly conceived attempts at resolving the present political crisis and that the Abhisit-led government’s actions are actually exacerbating the crisis rather than creating a solution. ”
Some may see this as a somewhat liberal extrapolation from a fairly standard foreign office warning to the Australian government’s official position. What do NM readers feel?
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@chris beale #18
Are you sure it’s Abhisit and the Democrat party that makes the final decision on whether to end the SOE or not?
I think Abhisit is stuck between a rock and hard place. If he’s not accommodating enough to the powers above him, he will be removed. If he’s not accommodating enough to the opposition more demonstrations and violence lie ahead.
If he actually goes his own way and tries to modernize Thailand, he will probably find himself hiding in some place like Macedonia before or later.
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Chrie Beale
Yeah the Dems REALLY care about tourism….
Oh – PAD, airports and Kasit (and please don’t say the PAD and Dems aren’t joined at the hip – if yesterday’s demo proved anything it was that).
I don’t think the Dems are really in charge anyway – just shop window dressing to keep anxious Western govts and investors onside.
There are some nasty people lurking in the shadows in Thailand who’ve proved time and again that they are very happy to kill a lot of people to protect their power and influence.
And as for extended SOE’s – I believe the one declared in Oct 1976 in Bangkok was never formally removed until 1992 when it was replaced with martial law.
A lot of the same nasties are still around from that time….
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StanG and Mungo Gubbins,
You should have paid more attention in your civics class. Freedom of speech means that you can say what you want without being killed, thrown in jail or censored by the state. It does not mean that any private individual has any obligation to give you a platform.
Forgive the impertinence, but you don’t see a certain hypocrisy in imagining yourselves as the victims of persecution, given the energy you expend to defend the censorship, imprisonment and extrajudicial execution of those who oppose this government?
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Jao – 28
The shame is that when there is a debate such as on New Mandala, then censorship of one side’s arguments tends to make the debate a rather poor read. It gets to be rather like the sound of one hand clapping.
Tarrin and David Dunne I would like to answer you but cannot.
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Les Abbey,
Are you StanG in disguise?
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“In the meantime King Taksin of Dhonburi became insane. The nobles therefore seized him and put him to death in 1782.” – Jumsai, M.L,. ‘History of Laos’, Chalermint, 1971, p.100
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LesAbbey,
The problem with both your remarks, and Stan G’s, is that they are most often ad hominem and not befitting of men the age you purportedly are. That was ad hominem. If you wish to engage in debate, the engage in it. Quite frankly, the pot calling the kettle black is becoming lard running through the NM arteries.
What do you really have to say?
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Perhaps New Mandala readers may appreciate this alternative explanation of the political thinking driving the recent clandestine terrorist atrocities-
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Southeast_Asia/LE13Ae01.html
Or perhaps they will just point their fingers in unison and scream PAAAAAAAD! in a manner reminiscent of the ‘Invasion of the Body Snatchers’ movie.
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Why would the fugitive Mr. Thaksin retain Robert Amsterdam as his lawyer, where can Mr. Amersterdam practise law ? Canada? UK? The fugitive red-shirt leader Jakrapob Penkair has stated that Mr. Thaksin is distancing himself from the Red Shirts and he is only an Iconic Figure. Since the time of the rumours that Mr. Thaksin had died in late April, we have never seen Mr.Thaksin live on TV and he has never been mobbed by the international press anywhere like before. Nothing happened in Paris. No interviews. Sounds like smoke and mirrors to me. The real question is, who will be the New Leader, or new parties? Thailnd has a bright future but the rule of law and honesty must be followed.
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LesAbbey – 28
You are not the only one here who NM’s moderators decided not to post the comment on, I got that from time to time also, but I felt like the reason why they did that was because the discussion was going to where and that it could potentially turn out nasty and what not.
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I agree with David Brown #8 about the greedy rich businessman, high ranking military man or politician. Those members of Thai society should be a good model for the people, especially politcians. If politicians, who normally close to local people as their leaders, corrupted, didn’t pay tax, hid some wealth with maids or driver, how can people respected them. I agrree that greedy and corrupted politicians, businessmen, goverment staffs is the main problem in Thai society, besides education to make Thai more brain to consider right and wrong with good reason. Violenc, strategy of tension, or fascist or SOE isn’t a real problem for Thai.
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Will NM now allow a propagandist employed by the government an equal opportunity to contribute a (presumably) unedited piece on here in the name of balance or has NM come off of the fence to favour one of the players?
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Nobody: as we have said several times already, we have an open invitation to guest contributors. We would welcome a contribution from the Thai government or someone writing on its behalf. AW
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When I read this Robert’s article, I feel it’s far from local Thai people who support Red Shirt , because we’re far from European fascists or dictator Franco. So, we can’t understand the theory or strategy of tension.
We understand violence and our losses. We can’t run away like Jakrapob and many. When I joined red shirt, we only want to bring back Primeminister Thaksin to help us better life as he said many times. I don’t want to be a victim and someone who runs away ask the victim to fight again and looks down Primeminister Thaksin as nobody. We admire Khun Veera as the real leader who with us till last hour.
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@James Hepburn:
the rumours that Mr. Thaksin had died in late April…
Well, he looks much more alive and kicking than close to death:
Thaksin Shinawatra in Montenegro 26 april 2010
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Nobody,
Perhaps you could ask Colonel Sansern to contribute to this blog for balance. I am not sure New Mandala allows posts written in Crayon, but it’s worth a shot.
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Mungo Gubbins(#32): Why don’t you explain what you mean when you say “Or perhaps they will just point their fingers in unison and scream PAAAAAAAD!” Spell it out. I figure you mean readers will point out that this is a fundamentally dishonest article because it doesn’t point out that Therdpoum was a senior PAD leader facing criminal charges. Is that it? You think you can preempt justifiable criticism that way? Stop playing silly games, and maybe people won’t be so critical of you.
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Actually Superanonymous, I think Mungo Gubbins(#32) is worried that people will not take analysis from the Asia Times seriously because it is owned by Sondhi L, the leader of the PAD.
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Mungo #32 seems to have given the wrong link – the correct one is here:
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Southeast_Asia/ID27Ae01.html
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Is it auspicious that the terrorists have been charged on the Queen’s birthday? Good timing.
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On Bangkok Post (online) today, we have a stunning contribution to reconciliation. Beneath a photo of smoke billowing from Siam & an inset of angry Redshirt leaders is the following caption:
“May 19, 2010: There were 91 dead, 2000 injured, buildings burnt. Now 19 red shirt leaders are under actual indictment at the Criminal Court on charges of terrorism, instigating unrest and illegal gathering.”
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Thank you, superanonymous #41, In Town 42.
My intention when posting the link was to offer an alternative explanation of the political thinking driving the recent acts of terrorism. Regardless of the nature of the publication, or William Barnes’ use of Journalistic license, the argument that Thaksin and the Red-Shirt movement’s leadership are by far the most likely culprits seems solid enough to me.
The red-shirt protests were at no time able to mobilize more than a couple of hundred thousand people. The pro-fox hunting ‘Countryside Alliance’ in the UK (a smaller nation than Thailand) got 400,000 people out onto the streets of London in 2002 to protest the ban on hunting, and failed to make any impact on government policy. The Abhisit government had little to fear from peaceful demonstrations, and no obligation to offer them anything more than courtesy. The protest numbers were not large for a nation of this size, and are not in any way indicative of a groundswell of popular opinion, however much wishful thinking you care to employ. Against a background of relatively small, peaceful, law abiding demonstrations Abhisit and Co. could quite comfortably sit it out until the end of their term and wait for the combination of policies such as the land reform bill, the massive investment in Education, the new welfare state, and the rapidly growing economy to deliver them election victory. They would have the time and opportunity to be as populist as necessary to win an election.
So whose interests are served by violence? The state of emergency isn’t boosting the economy or winning the government any votes. In fact it provides red-shirt sympathizers and Thaksin’s employees with an opportunity to portray the government as ‘oppressors’. Any increase in attacks if they were to lift the state of emergency prematurely could also damage the economy and the governments credibility, and the ‘the government/PAD/army are doing it to put the blame on us’ argument would still appeal to the devotees and give Thaksin’s PR toadies something to play with. We have already seen red-shirts arrested for bombings, but any amount of evidence linking a bombing campaign to the Thaksin cult will be ‘government lies’ and fresh meat to the conspiracy theorists.
I’m no more a fan of petty right wing nationalists than I am of the evangelical left, but please forgive me if I find K. Therpoum’s conjecture more convincing than that of Amsterdam or Jatuporn. “The revolution walks on two legs. One political leg and one army leg. Violence is the essential ingredient in the mix. That is what we were taught. The tactic is to keep saying that you are a peace-loving people. The many factions folded into the united front [UDD] organization are not told what the real strategy is because they might not agree and they might not act their part convincingly”.
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Wouldn’t be surprised to see Mr Amsterdam’s interest in Thai politics snuffed out as suddenly as it was ignited. Thaksin is known to be extremely tight fisted and, although he has a limited appreciation of literary style, he is likely to realize pretty soon that Amsterdam’s flatulent prose is not doing him any good and cut off his funding, as he did with his previous non-performing PR agents.
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I’d be more likely to scream “PAAAAAAAD!” at the article Mungo cites because of this: http://uk.asiancorrespondent.com/bangkok-pundit-blog/who-is-therdpoum-chaidee – not to say it’s not necessarily true. It might be. But Therdpoum would have a reason to discredit the UDD.
The Dems might have some good policies but I think it improbable that many red shirts will be won over by them at this point. We’ll see how much real effect these policies have – because at the moment it’s just talk. Not only is there a good chance that red shirts will still reject them because they shouldn’t be there in the first place, it’s also mostly Democrat supporters than are ideologically against redistributive policies, so it might be their own people that put a stop to anything too radical.
Robert Tingnongnoy – you’re criticising Jakrapob for “running away” but defending Thaksin? Sounds like Thaksin is having a great time shopping in Paris and laughing it up. Jakrapob is likely stuck in Cambodia, he has nowhere near the resources or freedom of Thaksin. Also Jakrapob probably believes in the cause for ideological reasons and would fight to the last. Thaksin will be off as soon as he has his money back. I’m not patronizing enough to say I think you’re an idiot for standing by Thaksin – but yeah, that is what I can’t help but think. Some UDD leaders have real principles and commitment to them – but it’s very very hard to believe Thaksin is one of them.
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Nothing like calling a lawyer’s ramblings a “guest contributor,” and nothing like having a paid shill spew propaganda on your blog to render it illegitimate, biased, and most importantly, completely compromised and irrelevant. Then again, who had their doubts about “New Mandala’s” lack of journalistic integrity?
And for Amsterdam’s part: though he draws soundly from a historical precedence, UDD already said they were going to wage a violent underground war with the government, including bombings. So while it is possible the government planted the two bombs, it is just as likely UDD is once again making good on their deadly threats.
The only thing the govt is doing that is suspicious, in my opinion, is pining about protecting nationalism and the temple while they secretly rush through the ASEAN AEC – which if you are truly nationalist, would find unacceptable (70% and eventually 100% foreign equity holdings in all industries).
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StanG #11 – Robert Amsterdam probably found a willing and eager audience at ANU, because his law firm is a major corporate member of the UK’s Chatham House, which supplies ANU with a steady stream of pro-globalist lecturers, “experts,” and coverage.
Together, they BOTH make “contributions” to the various mainstream media outlets to skew public opinion towards a pro-globalist, (read: pro-corporate membership) slant.
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@Tony #50
Interesting that people manage to accuse Thaksin of being both a “pro-globalist” and a Marxist.
This is an article that Tony Waltham (editor at Bangkok Post) recommended to his Twitter followers for a better understanding about the current political crisis a few months ago:
http://info-wars.org/2010/05/24/thailand%E2%80%99s-thaksin-shinwatra-marxists-and-the-nwo/
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Infowars – yep, that’s a reputable site. I often frequent it to hear about the brain eating vaccines scientists want to put into our water supply and the “globalist conspiracy” Thaksin S. is involved in along with the secretive Bilderberg club. No doubt they initiated Thaksin so he could show them some dark Khmer magic which would further them in their quest for our minds!
Shame on Andrew Walker for posing as an academic and researcher, trying to fool our kids into his Marxist nonsense. It’s all a front for the Bilderberg guys.
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The infowars article is Tony at 49 and 50 above.
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@Ralph
And who is Tony Carlucci? Can it be a pen name for Tony Waltham at Bannkok Post?
There seems to be one Tony too much accusing Thaksin of pro-globalism.
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Christoffer Larsso, James, Robert Amsterdam’s law firm is a major member of the Chatham House,
http://www.chathamhouse.org.uk/membership/corporate/major_corporate_members_list/
Obviously pro-globalist, you can find every big bank, media group, equity firm, and corporation a member, many are co-members of the CFR. Its all conspiracy, no theory my friend. Robert Amsterdam has been planting stories in the MSM for years on behalf of his clientele, passing it off as journalism or expert analysis.
Take 5 minutes look it up. Yes, I posted the infowars articles, I did an immense amount of research, and most of the evidence consists of quotes from the UDD, red shirts themselves. Jakrapob is the one saying he is getting funding from overseas, not me, or Alex Jones.
http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2010/s2969629.htm
Sorry you don’t know that big bankers fund communism all over the world in order to empty out nations of old money and replace it with there’s. Worked like a charm in Cambodia. While Hun Sen makes similar “Thaksinesque” people’s power speeches, 45% of Cambodia’s landmass has been sold to foreign globalist investors.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/apr/26/cambodia
BTW, brain eating vaccines are mainstream news, not fringe conspiracy – the technology is not disputed, and all infowars points out is that “if you can alter brain chemistry with vaccines for good, you can alter it for evil.” That’s common sense, for everyone besides James I suppose. I think something is wrong if you’re not worried about a government abusing that technology while they wage two criminal wars, shred the Bill of Rights, and just got caught with big-pharma goons hyping the swine flu.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/features/the-pandemic-that-never-was/story-e6frg6z6-1225905590249
Or maybe the Guardian, Australian, ABC, and even the Chatham House are all conspiracy wackos too?
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Tony,
A question. Were Thaksin and his minions responsible for the swine flu or for holding it back? When can we expect them to unleash it in a final fury?
By the way, Thaksin’s government’s actions in response to the swine flu seemed to me to be the normal stupid denialism of an authoritarian government – don’t talk about it, it will harm the image of the country but we have it under control – but the massive conspiracy? Well, I guess if he really is Kaiser Sozay.(The Usual Suspects)
I’ll refrain from joking about Tony and the brain-eating vaccines. But, I have to say they may have got to this person
http://blogs.channelnewsasia.com/anasuya-sanyal/2010/08/17/transcript-of-interview-with-yanaphon-youngyuen-deputy-director-general-department-of-special-investigation-dsi/comment-page-1/#comment-1138
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AW c38. Why not directly offer them an opportunity to respond rather than just talk about open invites. That I believe is a fairly common prcatice when allegations are made.
Jao C40. Why would I be approaching someone to respond on a site that is not mine even if I knew the person. My point is you either believe in running a balanced site which means the site owners asking directly for a response and if being declined stating so or the site just becomes in effect a propaganda site for one site. Do you believe in presenting a variety of sides and allowing people to make their own minds up or do you believe in indoctrination? Sometimes it is difficult to keep things balanced because it means apprioaching people you dont agree with and asking for a repsonse, but if you believe in balance, you would do it.
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From Bangkok Post, re. lifiting SOE :
1)”Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva and Deputy Prime Minister Suthep Thaugsuban, who is also director of the Centre for the Resolution of the Emergency Situation, had repeatedly expressed concern over the situation in Bangkok.”
WHY is Bangkok such a problem ?
This is costing Thailand – airfares to there from Australia are now significantly lower.
2)The emergency decree is currently still in force in Bangkok, Nonthaburi, Pathumthani, Samut Prakan, Udon Thani, Khon Kaen and Nakhon Ratchasima.
Seems like there’s still considerable resistance in major Isaarn towns Udon and Khon Khaen.
And not comforting to General Prem that one of his major power-bases – Nakhon Ratchasima – looks less than 100% loyal.
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Tony
So your startling revelation is that Robert Amsterdam is trying to get his line into the international press?
Wow man, you’re a genius! How in god’s name did you figure that out????
The brain eating virusese bit as well.
Jeez. Communists, melting orbs and Chatham House. All in one posting!!!
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