Comments for New Mandala http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala New perspectives on mainland Southeast Asia Mon, 21 May 2012 10:29:20 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2 Comment on Anatomy of a Burmese migrant strike by Ohn http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2012/05/11/anatomy-of-a-burmese-migrant-strike/comment-page-2/#comment-1071257 Ohn Mon, 21 May 2012 10:29:20 +0000 http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/?p=18862#comment-1071257 Roy, "...USA can build cars in Burma where they can treat workers as badly as they want." Don't wish us that. As it is the reality. See there is a traditional saying: When luck is running out, people take the fire mountain as gold mountain. All the Burmese in and out now WANT to be like Bangkok and Singapore. At any cost. And that irreverent wish WILL be fulfilled. In Utopia, there is no need for trade unions. In Burma there is no point for trade union. Roy,

“…USA can build cars in Burma where they can treat workers as badly as they want.”

Don’t wish us that. As it is the reality.

See there is a traditional saying: When luck is running out, people take the fire mountain as gold mountain.

All the Burmese in and out now WANT to be like Bangkok and Singapore. At any cost. And that irreverent wish WILL be fulfilled.

In Utopia, there is no need for trade unions. In Burma there is no point for trade union.

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]]> Comment on Dangerous lack of clarity from Thailand’s Constitutional Court by john francis lee http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2012/05/21/dangerous-lack-of-clarity-from-thailands-constitutional-court/comment-page-1/#comment-1071251 john francis lee Mon, 21 May 2012 10:20:16 +0000 http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/?p=18968#comment-1071251 Charoenkhwan Sabye Sabye has cut to the chase. Thailand has no justice system, it has an Inquisition. They make it up as they go along. The only thing that counts is that those in power stay in power and everything else is rearranged beneath to facilitate the arrangement. The next chance for peaceful revolution is the CDA. I hope that all the red shirts betrayed by Thaksin and PT realize that is the next inflection point in Thai politics and make sure that they themselves are the elected delegates thereto. They will need a strong majority in order to undo all the sabotage that will be the business of the appointed people. All of this Kangaroo Kourt stuff is the usual bluff and stall, and it will keep on until the very day that the people of Thailand write their own Constitution, turn the Kangaroos out of the Kourts, and bury the Royal Thai Army. Charoenkhwan Sabye Sabye has cut to the chase. Thailand has no justice system, it has an Inquisition. They make it up as they go along. The only thing that counts is that those in power stay in power and everything else is rearranged beneath to facilitate the arrangement.

The next chance for peaceful revolution is the CDA. I hope that all the red shirts betrayed by Thaksin and PT realize that is the next inflection point in Thai politics and make sure that they themselves are the elected delegates thereto. They will need a strong majority in order to undo all the sabotage that will be the business of the appointed people.

All of this Kangaroo Kourt stuff is the usual bluff and stall, and it will keep on until the very day that the people of Thailand write their own Constitution, turn the Kangaroos out of the Kourts, and bury the Royal Thai Army.

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]]> Comment on Vajiralongkorn on “roll of dishonour” by h http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2012/05/21/vajiralongkorn-on-roll-of-dishonour/comment-page-1/#comment-1071239 h Mon, 21 May 2012 09:54:23 +0000 http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/?p=18962#comment-1071239 Where was North Korea's monarchy? Where was North Korea’s monarchy?

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]]> Comment on Left out of reconciliation? by Vichai N http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2012/02/01/left-out-of-reconciliation/comment-page-1/#comment-1071220 Vichai N Mon, 21 May 2012 09:19:42 +0000 http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/?p=17422#comment-1071220 "If, however, the PAD members who shot at the police in 2008 and then occupied the airport, the Thai Army who used snipers to kill unarmed civilians in 2010 (amongst their other 5 decades of crimes) and the Dems direct ordering of the 2010 massacre were all equally prosecuted/punished in the same manner the Red Shirts have been, then yes, if the UDD committed criminal acts, why not keep them in prison." - Spooner Too many IFS, Spooner. The issue I simply raised is whether Yingluck Shinawatra is deliberately, I repeat DELIBERATELY, neglecting the many Reds still in prison, and, deliberately neglecting to address the Red grievance for justice (I believe many who are not Reds btw also are demanding justice for the same) deaths and damages they suffered during the Reds vicious rampage of M79 grenade launcher, assault rifles and arson attacks in May2010. The deliberate neglect, of course, is so the amnesty law would be passed to benefit a specific Thaksin Shinawatra, Red Shirt Supremo and Yingluck's brother. What says you Spooner? The solution to Thailand's woes remains embracing the rule of law. That means a full scale inquiry about the May2010 Red/Black Shirt rampage and whether or not the army/military had deliberately shot at "90+ unarmed civilians". (For the record, I do agree with Spooner that PAD leaders should be tried for their 2008 rampage. Whether Abhisit had behaved criminally during the May2010 tragedy should be investigated thoroughly thru an independent public inquiry. Personally I believe that former PM Abhisit had acted with utmost restraint . . . whereas the Red Shirts followers had been provoked by their leaders and by the vicious black shirted elements within their midst to rampage.) “If, however, the PAD members who shot at the police in 2008 and then occupied the airport, the Thai Army who used snipers to kill unarmed civilians in 2010 (amongst their other 5 decades of crimes) and the Dems direct ordering of the 2010 massacre were all equally prosecuted/punished in the same manner the Red Shirts have been, then yes, if the UDD committed criminal acts, why not keep them in prison.” – Spooner

Too many IFS, Spooner. The issue I simply raised is whether Yingluck Shinawatra is deliberately, I repeat DELIBERATELY, neglecting the many Reds still in prison, and, deliberately neglecting to address the Red grievance for justice (I believe many who are not Reds btw also are demanding justice for the same) deaths and damages they suffered during the Reds vicious rampage of M79 grenade launcher, assault rifles and arson attacks in May2010. The deliberate neglect, of course, is so the amnesty law would be passed to benefit a specific Thaksin Shinawatra, Red Shirt Supremo and Yingluck’s brother. What says you Spooner?

The solution to Thailand’s woes remains embracing the rule of law. That means a full scale inquiry about the May2010 Red/Black Shirt rampage and whether or not the army/military had deliberately shot at “90+ unarmed civilians”.

(For the record, I do agree with Spooner that PAD leaders should be tried for their 2008 rampage. Whether Abhisit had behaved criminally during the May2010 tragedy should be investigated thoroughly thru an independent public inquiry. Personally I believe that former PM Abhisit had acted with utmost restraint . . . whereas the Red Shirts followers had been provoked by their leaders and by the vicious black shirted elements within their midst to rampage.)

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]]> Comment on Thai Studies at Harvard by Norman http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2012/05/21/thai-studies-at-harvard/comment-page-1/#comment-1071165 Norman Mon, 21 May 2012 07:26:57 +0000 http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/?p=18979#comment-1071165 Does this mean the Harvard brand is "for sale"? Are their fund-raisers out and about in Bangkok hi-so/royalist circles looking for funds for a "named" chair? Will "heretics" and "heretical" ideas and views about Thailand be allowed if the funding sources are against all "heresy"? Does this mean the Harvard brand is “for sale”? Are their fund-raisers out and about in Bangkok hi-so/royalist circles looking for funds for a “named” chair? Will “heretics” and “heretical” ideas and views about Thailand be allowed if the funding sources are against all “heresy”?

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]]> Comment on Vajiralongkorn on “roll of dishonour” by Charoenkhwan Sabye Sabye http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2012/05/21/vajiralongkorn-on-roll-of-dishonour/comment-page-1/#comment-1071155 Charoenkhwan Sabye Sabye Mon, 21 May 2012 06:32:43 +0000 http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/?p=18962#comment-1071155 Thailand's bland representative only rightly reflected the country's royal house. Thailand’s bland representative only rightly reflected the country’s royal house.

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]]> Comment on Dangerous lack of clarity from Thailand’s Constitutional Court by Charoenkhwan Sabye Sabye http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2012/05/21/dangerous-lack-of-clarity-from-thailands-constitutional-court/comment-page-1/#comment-1071151 Charoenkhwan Sabye Sabye Mon, 21 May 2012 06:22:51 +0000 http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/?p=18968#comment-1071151 Don't you people know by now that this constitutional court is a farce? Don’t you people know by now that this constitutional court is a farce?

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]]> Comment on Dangerous lack of clarity from Thailand’s Constitutional Court by Ohn http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2012/05/21/dangerous-lack-of-clarity-from-thailands-constitutional-court/comment-page-1/#comment-1071135 Ohn Mon, 21 May 2012 05:16:17 +0000 http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/?p=18968#comment-1071135 Admittedly off the track, the descriptions of CT @1 would also describe any real or perceived slight on Aung San Suu Kyi as well. Except that the attacking forces would also involve foreigners. Even with her full and unconditional endorsement of the military, and their policies to the letter, which was only months ago supposed by herself to be bad. Whether the people tortured and killed in Kachin land feel the same would never be known. Admittedly off the track, the descriptions of CT @1 would also describe any real or perceived slight on Aung San Suu Kyi as well. Except that the attacking forces would also involve foreigners.

Even with her full and unconditional endorsement of the military, and their policies to the letter, which was only months ago supposed by herself to be bad.

Whether the people tortured and killed in Kachin land feel the same would never be known.

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]]> Comment on Lese majeste makes it to UK parliament by Marteau http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2012/05/17/lese-majeste-makes-it-to-uk-parliament/comment-page-1/#comment-1071132 Marteau Mon, 21 May 2012 05:09:21 +0000 http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/?p=18910#comment-1071132 Andrew Spooner #17. I accept your wise comments. Andrew Spooner #17. I accept your wise comments.

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]]> Comment on Dangerous lack of clarity from Thailand’s Constitutional Court by Marteau http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2012/05/21/dangerous-lack-of-clarity-from-thailands-constitutional-court/comment-page-1/#comment-1071130 Marteau Mon, 21 May 2012 04:54:41 +0000 http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/?p=18968#comment-1071130 CT #1, why would Thaksin pay Ms. Fitzgerald to make such comments? Pol. Lt. Col. Dr. Thaksin is on record countless times averring his boundless love for his king and his (her) government has also made its defence of Section 112 as it stands and as it is currently implemented crystal clear. His budget for foreign lobbyists is extremely tight because they churlishly demand cash rather than promises of future government jobs and he doesn't pay them to cause trouble for his own government and its policies. Ms. Fitzgerald should forget about those treacherous miscreants rotting in prison for not loving the king and understand that the country needs to move onwards and upwards towards the overarching goal of national reconciliation and home coming. CT #1, why would Thaksin pay Ms. Fitzgerald to make such comments?

Pol. Lt. Col. Dr. Thaksin is on record countless times averring his boundless love for his king and his (her) government has also made its defence of Section 112 as it stands and as it is currently implemented crystal clear. His budget for foreign lobbyists is extremely tight because they churlishly demand cash rather than promises of future government jobs and he doesn’t pay them to cause trouble for his own government and its policies.

Ms. Fitzgerald should forget about those treacherous miscreants rotting in prison for not loving the king and understand that the country needs to move onwards and upwards towards the overarching goal of national reconciliation and home coming.

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]]> Comment on Anatomy of a Burmese migrant strike by Roy Anderson http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2012/05/11/anatomy-of-a-burmese-migrant-strike/comment-page-1/#comment-1071126 Roy Anderson Mon, 21 May 2012 04:42:38 +0000 http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/?p=18862#comment-1071126 Plan B, it is unfortunate that you cover yourself by not even using any name. The Thai employers have imunity against prosecution as the military like the way they operate and are completely zenophobic and ruthless. Until Thailand gets real democracy with proper structures in place I cannot see any real change. Bangkok is treated as the centre of the universe and everywhere else is treated as servants to the elite (Without any rights). Not only SE Asian farang are treated with disdain but indiginous hill tribes have suffered at the hands of the establishment, with land grabs, rapes and even murders being reported. I cannot verify this as it comes under the Lese Majeste laws. You obviously failed to read previous statements concerning socialism. As socialism has not operated in any country at any time how can you associate it with totalitarianism and dictatorships? Aung Moe, Perhaps the USA can build cars in Burma where they can treat workers as badly as they want. Plan B,
it is unfortunate that you cover yourself by not even using any name.
The Thai employers have imunity against prosecution as the military like the way they operate and are completely zenophobic and ruthless. Until Thailand gets real democracy with proper structures in place I cannot see any real change. Bangkok is treated as the centre of the universe and everywhere else is treated as servants to the elite (Without any rights). Not only SE Asian farang are treated with disdain but indiginous hill tribes have suffered at the hands of the establishment, with land grabs, rapes and even murders being reported. I cannot verify this as it comes under the Lese Majeste laws.
You obviously failed to read previous statements concerning socialism. As socialism has not operated in any country at any time how can you associate it with totalitarianism and dictatorships?
Aung Moe,
Perhaps the USA can build cars in Burma where they can treat workers as badly as they want.

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