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		<title>By: Adam Carr</title>
		<link>http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/latest-count/comment-page-1/#comment-281803</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Carr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 11:54:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The figures for the proportional seats at the ECT website are behind those given at the Nation website, that is the vote totals are lower. How can this be? Where is the Nation getting its figures from if not from the ECT?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The figures for the proportional seats at the ECT website are behind those given at the Nation website, that is the vote totals are lower. How can this be? Where is the Nation getting its figures from if not from the ECT?</p>
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		<title>By: Chin</title>
		<link>http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/latest-count/comment-page-1/#comment-281499</link>
		<dc:creator>Chin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 22:00:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It appears that the two medium-sized parties, Chart Thai and Motherland did have a talk, although it&#039;s held at the house of a Motherland Party&#039;s executive.  They agreed to stay together.  The coalition possibilities could be either way now, but it is almost a guarantee for them both to be in the next government.  

This is a brilliant synergy move by Khun Banharn and Khun Suwit - it adds to their bargaining power considerably.  The biggest parties would have to concede major cabinet posts or even PM post in exchange for their presence. 

The latest unofficial figures have PPP at 229 and Dems 164.  An Abhisit government, if that is to happen, would look very shaky though.  I would not call a 20-seat majority a performing one by any means.  Therefore, I still believe PPP would be more likely to get the two medium-sized parties plus others in forming a government, unless something outside the parliamentary game is being engineered.

Two things could change the picture however: what some 1.8m voters say on their ballots last weekend and how many PPP candidates will be &quot;red-carded&quot;.  In many constituencies, it was indeed a close race which was won by merely a couple thousand votes.  Red cards for PPP would be in favour of Democrats et al.  Remember that  one red card means two counts in closing marginal difference.  However, I heard from an army radio while driving home that until a couple of days before election, there were very few complaints of serious charges like vote buying (most were some minor offences like wrong posters, election staff impartiality).  The number of  serious allegations have risen sharply only recently so this might be more to false allegations between contestants than anything.

Unfortunately, the election commissioners are once again under tremendous pressure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It appears that the two medium-sized parties, Chart Thai and Motherland did have a talk, although it&#8217;s held at the house of a Motherland Party&#8217;s executive.  They agreed to stay together.  The coalition possibilities could be either way now, but it is almost a guarantee for them both to be in the next government.  </p>
<p>This is a brilliant synergy move by Khun Banharn and Khun Suwit &#8211; it adds to their bargaining power considerably.  The biggest parties would have to concede major cabinet posts or even PM post in exchange for their presence. </p>
<p>The latest unofficial figures have PPP at 229 and Dems 164.  An Abhisit government, if that is to happen, would look very shaky though.  I would not call a 20-seat majority a performing one by any means.  Therefore, I still believe PPP would be more likely to get the two medium-sized parties plus others in forming a government, unless something outside the parliamentary game is being engineered.</p>
<p>Two things could change the picture however: what some 1.8m voters say on their ballots last weekend and how many PPP candidates will be &#8220;red-carded&#8221;.  In many constituencies, it was indeed a close race which was won by merely a couple thousand votes.  Red cards for PPP would be in favour of Democrats et al.  Remember that  one red card means two counts in closing marginal difference.  However, I heard from an army radio while driving home that until a couple of days before election, there were very few complaints of serious charges like vote buying (most were some minor offences like wrong posters, election staff impartiality).  The number of  serious allegations have risen sharply only recently so this might be more to false allegations between contestants than anything.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, the election commissioners are once again under tremendous pressure.</p>
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		<title>By: Somsak Jeamteerasakul</title>
		<link>http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/latest-count/comment-page-1/#comment-281313</link>
		<dc:creator>Somsak Jeamteerasakul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 15:17:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ITTV just reported, quoting unnamed &quot;close aid&quot; to Prem that NO party leaders had visited the Privy Council Chairman. The ITTV reporter camping outside Prem&#039;s Si sao resident also claimed that no movement in or out of the compound at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ITTV just reported, quoting unnamed &#8220;close aid&#8221; to Prem that NO party leaders had visited the Privy Council Chairman. The ITTV reporter camping outside Prem&#8217;s Si sao resident also claimed that no movement in or out of the compound at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Somsak Jeamteerasakul</title>
		<link>http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/latest-count/comment-page-1/#comment-281293</link>
		<dc:creator>Somsak Jeamteerasakul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 14:56:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s link to news of Jakkraphop&#039;s statement (in Thai)
http://www.matichon.co.th/news_detail.php?id=14647&amp;catid=46

I think what caused this &#039;rumor&#039; was the fact that leaders of the two parties seemed to have &#039;disappeared&#039;. See report (in Thai) here:

http://www.bangkokbiznews.com/2007/12/23/WW81_8101_news.php?newsid=214340

(Thanks to khun &quot;myth&quot; from FawDiewKan webboard for the links).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s link to news of Jakkraphop&#8217;s statement (in Thai)<br />
<a href="http://www.matichon.co.th/news_detail.php?id=14647&amp;catid=46" rel="nofollow">http://www.matichon.co.th/news_detail.php?id=14647&amp;catid=46</a></p>
<p>I think what caused this &#8216;rumor&#8217; was the fact that leaders of the two parties seemed to have &#8216;disappeared&#8217;. See report (in Thai) here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bangkokbiznews.com/2007/12/23/WW81_8101_news.php?newsid=214340" rel="nofollow">http://www.bangkokbiznews.com/2007/12/23/WW81_8101_news.php?newsid=214340</a></p>
<p>(Thanks to khun &#8220;myth&#8221; from FawDiewKan webboard for the links).</p>
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		<title>By: Nicholas Farrelly</title>
		<link>http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/latest-count/comment-page-1/#comment-281246</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicholas Farrelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 13:39:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Chinnawut,

Any confirmation or more information on this meeting would, of course, be very helpful for New Mandala readers.  If anybody knows more please don&#039;t hesitate to share.

Best wishes to all,

Nich</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Chinnawut,</p>
<p>Any confirmation or more information on this meeting would, of course, be very helpful for New Mandala readers.  If anybody knows more please don&#8217;t hesitate to share.</p>
<p>Best wishes to all,</p>
<p>Nich</p>
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		<title>By: Chinnawut</title>
		<link>http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/latest-count/comment-page-1/#comment-281243</link>
		<dc:creator>Chinnawut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 13:37:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jakrapob Penkhair,  PPP spokesman, just had a press conference at the party headquarter saying that the two parties, Chart Thai and Motherland, have been summoned to meet at Gen Prem&#039;s residence.  The news is not confirmed by other involved parties.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jakrapob Penkhair,  PPP spokesman, just had a press conference at the party headquarter saying that the two parties, Chart Thai and Motherland, have been summoned to meet at Gen Prem&#8217;s residence.  The news is not confirmed by other involved parties.</p>
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		<title>By: Chinnawut</title>
		<link>http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/latest-count/comment-page-1/#comment-281175</link>
		<dc:creator>Chinnawut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 12:00:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Talking numbers still...

A speculation is high on Thai media that PPP would have already talked to at least two other parties to ensure that the majority would at least surpass 240.  Provided PPP has got at least 200-210 as exit polls suggested, once PPP have Ruam Jai Thai-Chat Pattana (number 5 party) firmly with them (it seems so), it would be much easier then for PPP to pick up either #3 or #4 (or both) to form the three-party coalition government.  Chart Thai and Motherland would have little bargaining power to ask for anything big really.

I still personally think that if the difference between two biggest parties were as wide as 80-90, Khun Abhisit would not feel right in rushing to form the coalition against PPP, unless he&#039;s &quot;pushed&quot; to take a fight.

Of course, that is just a fun guess.  Another question is who at PPP would be chosen as PM.  Does Khun Samak really get the full backing from London?  It is the internal politics that is as equally interesting as coalition formation.  But that&#039;s the next step.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Talking numbers still&#8230;</p>
<p>A speculation is high on Thai media that PPP would have already talked to at least two other parties to ensure that the majority would at least surpass 240.  Provided PPP has got at least 200-210 as exit polls suggested, once PPP have Ruam Jai Thai-Chat Pattana (number 5 party) firmly with them (it seems so), it would be much easier then for PPP to pick up either #3 or #4 (or both) to form the three-party coalition government.  Chart Thai and Motherland would have little bargaining power to ask for anything big really.</p>
<p>I still personally think that if the difference between two biggest parties were as wide as 80-90, Khun Abhisit would not feel right in rushing to form the coalition against PPP, unless he&#8217;s &#8220;pushed&#8221; to take a fight.</p>
<p>Of course, that is just a fun guess.  Another question is who at PPP would be chosen as PM.  Does Khun Samak really get the full backing from London?  It is the internal politics that is as equally interesting as coalition formation.  But that&#8217;s the next step.</p>
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		<title>By: Somsak Jeamteerasakul</title>
		<link>http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/latest-count/comment-page-1/#comment-281160</link>
		<dc:creator>Somsak Jeamteerasakul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 11:42:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The latest numbers already changed as I typed, but the pattern, and hence the &#039;calculation&#039; above remains largely valid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The latest numbers already changed as I typed, but the pattern, and hence the &#8216;calculation&#8217; above remains largely valid.</p>
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		<title>By: Somsak Jeamteerasakul</title>
		<link>http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/latest-count/comment-page-1/#comment-281158</link>
		<dc:creator>Somsak Jeamteerasakul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 11:40:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s suppose for the moment that the final official number will not be much different from this latest:

PPP      220
Dem      162
Chart Thai    40
Phua Phaendin    30
RuamJaiThai        12
Matchima                11
Pracharat                 5

(Total 480)


This means that the Dem could still form a government, but only with the help of ALL the other 5 parties (to leave out the last two would still be too precarious). In other word, even with the support of BOTH Chart Thai and Phua Phaendin, the two next largest parties, would not be enough.
To hold such a coalition together require enormous &quot;authority&quot;, perhaps only possible with &quot;outside&quot; help (I think).

On the other hand, PPP only requires the support of Chart Thai or Phua Phaendin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s suppose for the moment that the final official number will not be much different from this latest:</p>
<p>PPP      220<br />
Dem      162<br />
Chart Thai    40<br />
Phua Phaendin    30<br />
RuamJaiThai        12<br />
Matchima                11<br />
Pracharat                 5</p>
<p>(Total 480)</p>
<p>This means that the Dem could still form a government, but only with the help of ALL the other 5 parties (to leave out the last two would still be too precarious). In other word, even with the support of BOTH Chart Thai and Phua Phaendin, the two next largest parties, would not be enough.<br />
To hold such a coalition together require enormous &#8220;authority&#8221;, perhaps only possible with &#8220;outside&#8221; help (I think).</p>
<p>On the other hand, PPP only requires the support of Chart Thai or Phua Phaendin.</p>
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		<title>By: chris baker</title>
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		<dc:creator>chris baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 11:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mcot is about 5 mins ahead, but it&#039;s overloaded and slower. 

From an hour ago, when they had counted 2m votes, up to now when they have counted 16m, PPP has been around 220 and DP around 160. That&#039;s going to be it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mcot is about 5 mins ahead, but it&#8217;s overloaded and slower. </p>
<p>From an hour ago, when they had counted 2m votes, up to now when they have counted 16m, PPP has been around 220 and DP around 160. That&#8217;s going to be it.</p>
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